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#1001 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 495 weeks ago
polluxlm wrote:Because they have been told black people aren't savvy enough to get an ID or use the Internet (the implicit racism in this position is quite astonishing to me). Supporting voter ID laws then makes them racists.
You watch one youtube video and think only white liberals make this claim in regards to poor people and driver's licenses/IDs. Plenty of black democrat leaders have made this argument as well.
You also cheered on a racist endorsed by the KKK for POTUS, but then have the audacity to act perturbed about "implicit racism" by the left. As if you ever gave a shit about racism in the first place. Spare us please.
No, I said that is the reason liberals give. Some bigoted right wingers no doubt oppose it for the same reason liberals support it. They're both racists though.
Trump is a racist? With all the different peoples he surrounds himself with I'm curios as to what this racism actually entails. I'm not even sure what the word means anymore when it gets thrown around like we do "hello, good morning".
#1002 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 495 weeks ago
#1003 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 495 weeks ago
Because they have been told black people aren't savvy enough to get an ID or use the Internet (the implicit racism in this position is quite astonishing to me). Supporting voter ID laws then makes them racists.
The DNC leadership probably knows that having and ID is something the vast majority of eligible voters already have, so I can only assume they fear the loss of a practice tailor made for election fraud.
#1004 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 495 weeks ago
Well, all of this is according to the msm. You know, those honest and incorruptible people we've seen in action these past months.
I don't know, but when Trump says personally that the security story is not true, I'm more inclined to believe him. And that's coming from a guy who admits Trump can be liberal with the truth.
#1005 Re: The Sunset Strip » The Video Game Console Thread » 495 weeks ago
Got back into GTAV myself after buying the PS4. Gotta say I'm liking these new updates a lot, better ways to make money without the grind, and bigger money to make with it.
If they keep it fresh like this the game can run for years and years. Brilliant really, I even have learned to like the fact that everything costs so much in the game, because then it feels more worthwhile when you finally get it.
#1006 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 495 weeks ago
Trump bringing people together. Give this man the peace prize. 
Edgy over rise of Trump, Jews and Muslims ramp up alliances
JTA — For years, whenever Jews and Muslims engaged in dialogue and activism together, it usually concerned — or foundered — on one issue: the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
With Donald Trump’s ascent to the presidency, that appears to be changing. Regardless of what’s happening across the ocean, Jews and Muslims in the United States are joining together to fight for shared domestic concerns.
“It is a perhaps growing recognition that [the Israeli-Palestinian conflict] cannot define how American Jews and American Muslims relate to one another,” said Rabbi David Fox Sandmel, the Anti-Defamation League’s director of interreligious engagement. “The shared concerns we have about prejudice, about bias, about threats of violence, about disenfranchisement — these are the kinds of things that can bring us together.”
On Monday, the American Jewish Committee and the Islamic Society of North America launched the Muslim-Jewish Advisory Council, a group of religious and business leaders from both communities who will help draft domestic policy legislation and advocate on issues of shared concern.
The ADL is planning to increase its efforts to provide support for legal and legislative efforts in the fight against anti-Muslim bigotry.
And the Shalom Hartman Institute’s Muslim Leadership Initiative, which educates young Muslim leaders about Judaism and Israel, held a retreat over the weekend titled “Living in Trump’s America: Muslim Vulnerability and Jewish Echoes.”
“What’s happened as a result of the poisonous atmosphere that Trump has created is that American Muslims are desperate for allies,” said Yossi Klein Halevi, the Muslim Leadership Initiative’s co-director. “And the argument that MLI has made to the Muslim community — which is that the Jews are, at least in theory, natural allies for embattled Muslims — now has become compelling.”
Both Jewish and Muslim groups have expressed worry about Trump’s rhetoric, and his supporters’ actions, over the course of the presidential campaign. Muslims have protested Trump’s 2015 call for a ban on Muslim immigration to the United States, as well as his insinuations that Muslims celebrated the 9/11 attacks and have withheld information from law enforcement about terrorism. Anti-Muslim attacks rose during his campaign, and a string of attacks has followed his election.
And while Trump has not explicitly targeted Jews, Jewish groups raised alarm over his endorsements by white nationalists and online attacks on Jews by his supporters, along with his remarks late in the campaign that echoed anti-Semitic tropes. Jewish groups have protested his naming as his chief strategist Stephen Bannon, the executive chairman of a website, Breitbart News, that has been accused of incitement against Muslims and coddling anti-Semitism among its writers and readers. In addition, the ADL decried “a wave of anti-Semitic vandalism” following the election.
In the past, differing stances and sensitivities regarding Islamic extremism or Israeli military action drove groups apart. Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said he hopes Jewish groups will be more willing to work with his organization following Trump’s election. Jewish groups, including the ADL, have resisted working with CAIR due to its anti-Israel stances.
“It’s always been our position that we’re open to shared and cooperative action with the Jewish community,” Hooper said. “It doesn’t really take Donald Trump to spur that. I think it’s created an urgent need for mutual cooperation between all like-minded organizations and communities.”
The newly formed Muslim-Jewish Advisory Council, which has 31 members from both communities, formed shortly before Trump was elected last week. The council will focus on protecting the right to wear religious head coverings, prohibiting discrimination in the workplace, recording hate crimes and advocating for immigrants and refugees, according to Robert Silverman, the American Jewish Committee’s director of Muslim-Jewish relations.
“It is a reaction to some of the bigotry and hate speech that came out of the campaign,” Silverman said. “We’re concerned about the public discourse in the whole country. We’re also concerned about messages that originated within the two communities. The Trump phenomenon is only going to make it come together more quickly.”
Jewish activists who have long championed Jewish-Muslim collaboration believe their community is finally coming around.
Rabbi Marc Schneier, co-founder of the Foundation for Ethnic Understanding, which brings together leaders from the two religions, says he hopes Jews will come to the defense of Muslims if Trump follows through on his proposals to ban Muslims from entering the country, or to create a registry of American Muslims.
In June, Schneier’s foundation launched an initiative called Muslims are Speaking Out that highlights Muslim condemnations of extremism and aims to dispel misconceptions Americans have about the Muslim community.
“We have the obstacle of greater Islamophobia and anti-Muslim rhetoric,” Schneier said. “The opportunity is that this is another test for the American Jewish community. Will it step up to the plate, and will it perform as it has done in the past?”
#1007 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 495 weeks ago
Because Christie brought in the lobbyists, according to this:
Pence removing lobbyists from Trump transition team
Lobbyists are being purged from official roles in President-elect Donald Trump's transition team, sources told Fox News late Tuesday.
The move to get rid of lobbyists in key roles was one of the first decisions made by Vice President-elect Mike Pence in his role overseeing the construction of a Trump administration.
One source said the decision to remove the lobbyists "makes good on [Trump's] vision of how he wants his government constructed."
Tuesday evening, Pence formally signed a memorandum of understanding putting him in charge of the transition team. A similar document had been signed by New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who spent months running transition operations before his demotion last week.
The switch slowed Trump's ability to coordinate the transfer of power with the Obama administration. White House spokeswoman Brandi Hoffine told the Associated Press the administration was waiting on more documents required by law before agencies could begin sharing information with the transition team.
Pence ignored questions from reporters Tuesday, both as he entered Trump Tower with a thick binder tucked under his arm, and as he left six hours later.
A person familiar with the transition efforts told AP different factions in Trump's team "are fighting for power."
"That organization right now is not designed to work," according to the person close to the efforts, who like others involved in the transition, insisted on anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the internal process.
The group organized by Christie had featured a litany of lobbyists, former bureaucrats, academics and corporate lawyers. That caused consternation from Trump, who won cheers on the campaign trail for his repeated promises to "drain the swamp" in Washington.
It had also drawn the attention of Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., who repeatedly attacked Trump during the campaign on behalf of his opponent, Hillary Clinton. On Tuesday, Warren called on Trump to replace more than 20 members of his transition team with ties to Wall Street firms and other corporations.
"If you refuse," Warren wrote, "I will oppose you, every step of the way, for the next four years. I will champion the millions of Americans you will fail to protect. I will track your every move, and I will remind Americans, every day, of the actions you take that fail them."
Among those who departed Trump's transition team Tuesday was former Rep. Mike Rogers, a Christie recruit and a respected Republican voice on national security issues. The Wall Street Journal reported that Frank Gaffney, a former defense official in the Reagan administration, had been brought in to assist on national security issues, along with Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., and former Rep. Pete Hoekstra.
Former GOP national security official Eliot Cohen blasted Trump's team on Twitter, calling them "angry, arrogant." Cohen opposed Trump during the campaign, but in recent days, he said those who feel duty-bound to work in a Trump administration should do so. But he said Tuesday that after an exchange with Trump's team, he had "changed my recommendation."
Trump's transition team was also reviewing secretary of state candidate Rudy Giuliani's paid consulting work for foreign governments, which could delay a nomination or bump Giuliani to a different position, according to a person briefed on the matter but not authorized to speak publicly about it.
Giuliani founded his own firm, Giuliani Partners, in 2001, and helped businesses on behalf of foreign governments, including Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. He also advised TransCanada, which sought to build the controversial Keystone XL pipeline, and helped the maker of the painkiller drug OxyContin settle a dispute with the Drug Enforcement Administration.
Businessman Carl Icahn disclosed on Twitter, based on conversations with the president-elect, that Trump was considering Steve Mnuchin, a former Goldman Sachs banker, and Wilbur Ross, a billionaire investor, to lead the Treasury and Commerce departments.
Trump himself broke with protocol Tuesday night by leaving Trump Tower without his press contingent. The transition team had told reporters and photographers there would be no movement by the president-elect for the rest of the day and night, but less than two hours later a presidential-style motorcade rolled out of the building, suggesting that Trump was on the move and leaving reporters scrambling.
Trump turned up at Club 21, a midtown Manhattan restaurant where he was having dinner with his family. Reporters were not allowed inside, and Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks asked that they respect that he was having an evening out with his family.
A short time later a tweet appeared on Trump's account: "Very organized process taking place as I decide on Cabinet and many other positions. I am the only one who knows who the finalists are!"
#1008 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 495 weeks ago
Yeah, an article written by David Horowitz is a sure sign that Bannon is anti semitic! 
Actually, Andrew Breitbart himself was Jewish, so I don't know how well this association game is going to go.
#1009 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 495 weeks ago
polluxlm wrote:He was a DNC plant.
Gong back through his facebook history, it doesn't look like that much of a plant.
Wouldn't be a very good plant then would he?
Fortunately you don't have to take my word for it when we have Hillary's campaign on tape:
“I’m saying we have mentally ill people, that we pay to do shit, make no mistake. Over the last twenty years, I’ve paid off a few homeless guys to do some crazy stuff, and I’ve also taken them for dinner, and I’ve also made sure they had a hotel, and a shower. And I put them in a program. Like I’ve done that. But the reality is, a lot of people especially our union guys. A lot of our union guys…they’ll do whatever you want. They’re rock and roll. When I need to get something done in Arkansas, the first guy I call is the head of the AFL-CIO down there, because he will say, ‘What do you need?’ And I will say, I need a guy who will do this, this and this. And they find that guy. And that guy will be like, Hell yeah, let’s do it.” - See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/comm … 86OnM.dpuf
So with that in mind, when I see a deranged individual who was part of a viral video years ago suddenly making waves again, this time as a cassus belli for the anti Trump effort, I think the chances of him being a legit Trump supporter, representative of his movement, are pretty low.
polluxlm wrote:Using the same logic being used against Trump we can throw in "rapists, satanists and pedos" as well.
WTF?
Why wouldn't we? Don't worry he has 2/3 of those covered in his camp too. Not sure about Satanists, but their is a creature of the night vibe to Rudy and Nigel.
Well, you're not are you? Robert Byrd was a KKK member, George Soros was a Nazi collaborator, and there's more than suggestive evidence John Podesta is a satanist, Bill Clinton a rapist and his buddy Epstein a pedophile. Those are all people surrounding your preferred candidate, but it doesn't seem to matter. So why is it a big deal that Trump has a few people around him who may have said some bad words?
#1010 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 495 weeks ago
Trump thinking it's a good idea to have supporters use a Bellamy salute to do a pledge at rallies while people chant JEW-SA in front of him and hang around with someone like Farage who used to sing "gas the jews" with the National Front in the 70's... suggests otherwise.
You mean this guy?
He was a DNC plant. Shouldn't come as a surprise when it's already out there that Hillary paid people to instigate violence at Trump rallies.
If what Farage allegedly said as a 16 year old suggests something about Trump, I do wonder what keeping confirmed KKK members and Nazi collaborators around does. Using the same logic being used against Trump we can throw in "rapists, satanists and pedos" as well.
