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#1021 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

IRISH OS1R1S wrote:

Let me get this straight. You want me to believe people who think it's ok to strangle a man to death with their knees and shoot men in the back seven times, seriously?

Noone caused this only the corrupt police themselves, and until the good cops start addressing it they will continue to get away with it.
Here is another example. We know there is a lot of corruption in the force. How many cops report other cops yearly? I bet that is a fun statistic.

You assume that the Minneapolis police meant to kill him. Maybe that was Chauvin’s state of mind, but I believe if you consider the video that shows what happened before Floyd kicked himself out of the vehicle, that claim becomes harder for a jury to accept beyond a reasonable doubt.

Even CNN had an article on why 7 shots aren’t excessive. Police officers are trained to discharge their firearms reflexively to disable someone. Blake had already resisted arrest by two officers and shook off a tazer. He said he was getting a knife. How many shots are acceptable to disable a man who was at the residence of a woman he raped and had a restraining order against him, fights off two cops, a tazer, and then says he’s getting a knife while you hold a gun inches from him?  The point there was to kill/disable  Blake. Not consider his life when he was in the act of a 4th 1st degree felony in minutes.

#1022 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

IRISH OS1R1S wrote:

No I don't trust it because a lot of those numbers come from police statements in their incident reports. Police have done and continue to write false reports, lie etc.
For instance Lloyd would have been just another statistic without the video footage from a member of the public. I don't believe Lloyd was an isolated case, far from it.

Why would I trust any organisation with so much corruption?
Who said it was true in previous years? I sure as hell don't believe that for a second.


What numbers don't you trust?  Specifically?  I understand skepticism, but if you're arguing that there are a significant amount of unarmed people being shot/killed by police, that warrants some kind of evidence and support.  Bodies don't just disappear and cell phones if not police vehicles and city camera capture nearly every interaction.  If you're arguing cops are killing people in cold blood and covering it up somehow, that warrants something more than faith.

#1023 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

I wasn’t making any attack on your country. My focus the past 5 months has solely been on the US. I’m vaguely aware that some western cities around the globe have had BLM protests. That’s all I know.

#1024 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

IRISH OS1R1S wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
IRISH OS1R1S wrote:

Cops in the US are out of control though, irregardless of what happened here. They use guns way too often in circumstances where they are not needed. Also do Americans not have limbs? Why do these cops shoot to kill when you can incapacitate easily by simply aiming low. The loophole of a cop being fired/suspended then being able to get rehired in other states is fucked up. Fix that and hold cops accountable more often.

Edit: and longer training when becoming a cop. Get rid of the police union as it is now also.


If you had any familiarity with firearms, you wouldn’t be advocating people be shot in the limbs. The cop was shot in the limb, in his femoral artery. It’s a fluke he’s alive. You shoot center mass because it’s hard enough to hit a moving target, let alone a moving limb on a moving target. There’s no country in the world where cops or soldiers are trained, let alone told to shoot at limbs. Mainly because it doesn’t capacitate someone. Jacob Blake was tazed and wrestled. He still shrugged it off and went for a weapon with a cop’s gun inches from his body.

I own guns. If I had to choose leg or torso, I'm gonna pick the limb every time and cops ain't sniping ffs. The majority of these incidents happen up close and personal. They are litterly in arms length of the person at times, but can't hit a non critical area?

I know you’re a person capable of considering other views. Please google the idea of shooting a limb  and YouTube some expert discussion on this.

What you’re suggesting is absurd. I can say this as someone who been in close personal armed fights, and as someone professionally trained and deployed as a US soldier. Police or any person are only authorized to fire their gun with intention to kill. Because they’re only allowed to use it when they believe their life or the life of someone else is threatened with death or serious injury. You don’t get to shoot warning shots. So if you believe your life is in danger, it’s unreasonable to be expected to shoot someone in the limb as that has a limited affect of disabling them. You’re free to make that choice, but it’s a matter of common law in the subject of self defense. Again, you’ll find no nation or police force that advocates your position. It’s Hollywood fantasy. Don’t take my word for it, look it up.

#1025 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

IRISH OS1R1S wrote:

I'm sorry ID but if you are trying to convince me that you don't have a cop problem I am gonna disagree.
14 unarmed Black victims and 25 unarmed white victims in 2019. How can you write that and not see an issue?

Type cops in to YouTube and look at dozens upon dozens of videos uploaded everyday of cops acting unprofessional or misusing their powers. These protests are not people imagining this shit and no, I'm not talking about the looters. There is a problem and anyone defending it has me baffled honestly.


What was it in years past?  What is it elsewhere?

I don’t know if anyone has said there isn’t a problem with police abuse and brutality. 50 years ago it was swept under the rug and tolerated. All officers in the death of George Floyd are internationally known and under indictment for murder.

There’s 330M+ people in this country. I’m not celebrating any death, but if 39 unarmed people, most of which were actively trying to harm the officer or someone the moment they die, are all the lives our police force take each year, I don’t know if that justifies the lies, violence, harassment, damage and threats that those in the streets believe it does.

I have no idea what’s going on in your country. But one of America’s two political parties celebrated this group at their national convention and profess alignment with them. Virtually every American media outlet is showing them in a positive and peaceful light. And any corporation with Facebook is waiving their flag. I think a group/movement/ideology as vague and misinformed as the larger BLM political movement is worth objective scrutiny. Not indifference.

No less than 5 police officers have been shot in the past 4 months directly by those out supporting this movement. Just as the uninformed swallow the popular narrative without much thought and believe there’s a war on black men by police, police officers are being flooded with images of thugs assassinating their fellow officers. They see a media making them out to be evil, and have to endure daily verbal if not physical assaults from people looking for an opportunity to go viral. I’d say it’s the perfect storm to create tragedy. Rather than fuel the flames of the uninformed and prohibiting dialogue based on fact, the media should serve its purpose to inform and educate with the objective truth. When MSNBC stars say “black lives don’t matter” on national TV because officers who were fired on serving a warrant they were required to serve, returned fire at the person who just shot one of them, weren’t charged as murderers, how the fuck can you pretend there isn’t a serious disconnect from reality, law and objective truth.

#1026 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

In a population over 300 million there were 1,004 fatal police shootings in 2019. Of that, 14 unarmed Black victims and 25 unarmed white victims in 2019.

There should be zero, but it's a lot lower than what people try to portray it as. Most cops never even pull their gun.

Edit: Of those who were unarmed includes those who try to run the officer over or tried to get their gun away from them.


You’re not allowed to say this. It’s too factual. We have to pretend black men are being shot like dogs by racist cops fixing to get their kill count up.

#1027 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

IRISH OS1R1S wrote:

Cops in the US are out of control though, irregardless of what happened here. They use guns way too often in circumstances where they are not needed. Also do Americans not have limbs? Why do these cops shoot to kill when you can incapacitate easily by simply aiming low. The loophole of a cop being fired/suspended then being able to get rehired in other states is fucked up. Fix that and hold cops accountable more often.

Edit: and longer training when becoming a cop. Get rid of the police union as it is now also.


If you had any familiarity with firearms, you wouldn’t be advocating people be shot in the limbs. The cop was shot in the limb, in his femoral artery. It’s a fluke he’s alive. You shoot center mass because it’s hard enough to hit a moving target, let alone a moving limb on a moving target. There’s no country in the world where cops or soldiers are trained, let alone told to shoot at limbs. Mainly because it doesn’t capacitate someone. Jacob Blake was tazed and wrestled. He still shrugged it off and went for a weapon with a cop’s gun inches from his body.

#1028 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

Axl S wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

That Taylor had nothing to do with her ex-boyfriend’s drug enterprise. He was recorded in jail on the phone telling people she had his money stored for him. He had drugs mailed to her apartment for her to store to keep them separate from his residence.

Even if true, that doesn't justify murdering her in anyway.

If that's a problem then arrest her, charge her, try her, convict her and sentence her to whatever punishment is appropriate.

Cops in America are way too trigger happy in general. Throw in systemic and legacyracism and it's a bad mix that doesn't look like it will be addressed properly anytime soon.


She wasn't fucking murdered.  Why do you uninformed types keep saying this?  "Even if true", there is no even if.  It's absolutely true.  They had a no-knock warrant.  They could have knocked the door down without saying a word and they'd have been in the right.  They didn't though, they knocked repeatedly - this isn't in dispute by anyone who has a clue and read official statements.  As soon as they burst in, the police were fired upon and one of them was shot in the femoral artery.  They immediately returned fire, and Taylor was shot.  The real tragedy is that her dipshit boyfriend who fired blindly wasn't the one who died. 

This isn't a difference of opinion.  This is uninformed people injecting their fantasy world views into reality.  Police can serve warrants, and if you shoot at them, they're going to shoot back and kill you.  In no world will this not be the case.

That's why none of the officers are being charged for killing her, and one is being charged cause he blasted his gun as negligently as the moron boyfriend. 

It has nothing to do with racism. 

Quit using objectively false terms.  Taylor wasn't murdered.  She was killed when her boyfriend shot a fucking cop who was serving a legal warrant.  100/100 times if cops are shot while serving a warrant, they're going to fire back.

#1029 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

James wrote:

. What moron believes someone can sleep thru gunshots in their own apartment.

People sleep through gunshots all the time. The fact entire families are murdered in their sleep is proof of this.


The average gun shot is 140-160 decibels.  Indoors it's going to seem much, much louder.   The only way someone is staying asleep while someone opens fire indoors is if they're knocked out on some kind of narcotic.  I'm not aware of any instance of families being shot in their sleep.  I know a family was murdered in their home for some drug shit in Ohio a few years ago, but there was nothing to suggest they were all asleep in their beds as gunmen walked through the house.  Even with a silencer, the decibels hover around 100.  And I'm not aware of any epidemic of people using silencers with any meaningful regularity.

When my dad shot himself in the house 10 years ago, everyone heard it.

#1030 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

They have been outright lying about the death of Taylor,

Just curious, which lies have been out there about the case?  It's an honest question but most of what I heard I believe has been factual, and I'm not hugely all over the place on twitter and blogs etc.

That she was murdered in her sleep. She was standing alongside her boyfriend when he fired blindly at police.

That the police didn’t knock. The boyfriend testified they heard the knocking, and thought it was her drug dealing ex-boyfriend.

That Taylor had nothing to do with her ex-boyfriend’s drug enterprise. He was recorded in jail on the phone telling people she had his money stored for him. He had drugs mailed to her apartment for her to store to keep them separate from his residence.

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