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#1101 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 480 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

Between that quote, and what he said about John McCain not being a war hero, it's astonishing he was elected President of the United States of America.

That along with a half a dozen other horrible things he said.

PaSnow wrote:
misterID wrote:

Trump's awfulness is repairing Bush's reputation. Hilarious.

It is shocking, but that's an apt statement.

It's true. My friend and I were just discussing this a few days ago.

#1102 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 480 weeks ago

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Exclusive: Two other Trump advisers also spoke with Russian envoy during GOP convention

Attorney General Jeff Sessions is not the only member of President Trump’s campaign who spoke to Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak at a diplomacy conference connected to the Republican National Convention in July. At least two more members of the Trump campaign’s national security officials also spoke with Kislyak at the event, and several more Trump national security advisers were in attendance.

It's unknown what the Trump campaign officials who spoke with the ambassador – J.D. Gordon and Carter Page – discussed with him. Those who took part in the events in Cleveland said it is not unusual for presidential campaign teams to interact with diplomats.

However, the newly-revealed communications further contradict months of repeated denials by Trump officials that his campaign had contact with officials representing the Russian government.

The Justice Department’s acknowledgement Wednesday that Sessions spoke with Kislyak twice in 2016 has led to calls for him to recuse himself from investigations into the Trump team’s contact with Russia. By Thursday afternoon, Sessions said he would recuse himself.

Multiple attendees at the Global Partners in Diplomacy event in Cleveland said the contacts between diplomats and political officials are not unusual. The program schedule and social media photographs shows ambassadors from dozens of countries attended, alongside many of the original national security advisors to Trump’s campaign.

Gordon, who managed the advisory committee as the Trump campaign’s director of national security, said that while he also spoke with Kislyak in Cleveland, it is not unusual for a presidential campaign to interact with diplomats.

“I’d consider it an informal conversation just like my interactions with dozens of other ambassadors and senior diplomats in Cleveland,” Gordon said.

Page, another member of the Trump campaign’s national security advisory committee who also spoke with Kislyak in Cleveland, cited “confidentiality rules” in declining to say what he discussed with the ambassador.

“I had no substantive discussions with him,” said Page, who left the campaign later in the summer amid controversy over a speech he gave in Moscow in early July criticizing American foreign policy and sanctions against Russia.

Hossein Khorram, an RNC delegate from Washington State who wasn’t part of Trump’s campaign, attended the diplomacy event and said it provided a forum for diplomats to share their concerns with GOP officials. After formal panel discussions, the attendees broke off into informal conversations.

“Basically the ambassadors — including the Russian ambassador — they were expressing their, mainly, fears about the war on terror and collaborating with the United States,” he said. “There was no promises made on behalf of the Trump administration.”

Sessions, Gordon, and Trump campaign national security advisory committee member Walid Phares all spoke on stage at the Global Partners in Diplomacy program on July 20 in an auditorium at Case Western Reserve University, according to the program schedule and pictures posted on social media. Current Deputy National Security Advisor KT McFarland was also present at the day’s sessions.

Phares did not respond to email and phone requests for comment. Another member of the national security advisory committee who was at the Cleveland event, Joseph Schmitz, referred questions about his interactions with Russian officials to Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks.

Hicks has categorically denied any communication between the campaign and the Russian government. “The campaign had no contact with Russian officials,” she said in November.

The contacts came at a time when the U.S. intelligence community has concluded the Russia government was trying to influence the presidential election. The Democratic National Committee’s computers had been hacked weeks before – in an intrusion U.S. investigators have said was orchestrated by the Russian intelligence services – and the first batch of emails from that hack were published by Wikileaks on July 22.

Since then, Russia’s alleged interference in the election and contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian government officials have been at the center of ongoing investigations by multiple federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies and by the House and Senate intelligence committees.

In February, Michael Flynn resigned as Trump’s national security advisor following revelations of his failure to provide complete information to administration officials about his contacts with Kislyak in December 2016. Flynn had originally said he didn’t talk with the ambassador about sanctions, but later revealed that he had.

The White House on Thursday did not answer questions from USA TODAY regarding the nature of the conversations between campaign officials and Kislyak, whether there were other contacts between the campaign and Russian government, and why statements have been made denying contacts.

"This was a widely attended 4-day event with dozens of ambassadors and hundreds of attendees," the White House said in a written statement from its communications office. "No interaction was substantive, and to insinuate otherwise is deeply dishonest."

Although an event similar to Global Partners in Diplomacy was held at the 2016 Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia, it is not clear Kislyak attended that program or spoke with Clinton campaign officials. The Russian Embassy did not respond to questions on Thursday about his attendance at the RNC and DNC events.

Jerry Hartz, spokesman for the National Democratic Institute, which organized the DNC event, said the group could not release the list of attendees due to security concerns, but could find no indication Kislyak attended. “No one remembers seeing him there,” Hartz said.

#1103 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 480 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

This is the perfect time to get a better AG and ditch sessions.

They're a joke and will continue to be so until they come up with real ideas that benefit everyday Americans and not illegals or refugees.

Congress is gerry mandered so that the GOP stays in charge no matter what. In 2012 the Dems got 1.4 million more votes and still lost.

Of course we all know that Hillary got 3 million more votes (and Flagg's vote) and still lost the EC.

Likewise Democrats received the majority of votes for the Senate in 2016.

But Flagg acts like the country has made some sharp turn to the right, and the Dems are completely irrelevant, when nothing of the sort has happened. His hero Trump also has the lowest approval rating of any incoming president that I can recall. So perhaps it would behoove both Trump and his constituents to practice some humility. The majority of Americans voted for the Democrats, Republicans just barely coasted into power and most Americans hold a low opinion of both Trump and the GOP Congress (21% approval for the House.)

#1104 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 480 weeks ago

Looks like the Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman has Trump talking points down!

Paul Ryan could care less....

#1105 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 480 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

Your party did nothing for 8 years besides pass Obamacare and wreck the insurance industry. .

It's funny you talk about liberal "talking points" and then throw this out every couple of weeks. Do you sincerely believe this?

#1107 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 480 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

So Sessions had contact with Russians during the campaign when he denied it during his hearing. There are calls for him to resign now. Even if you choose to give him the benefit of the doubt, why do all roads from his administration seem to go back to Russia? Isn't that odd?

Just read this a few hours ago and yes...it is.

#1108 Re: The Garden » The Rant Thread » 480 weeks ago

That's funny. I was just thinking about doing one of those DNA tests myself....I'll have to report back.

#1109 Re: The Garden » Life in the UK/#bagelgate » 480 weeks ago

johndivney wrote:

For our friends across the pond here's a snapshot of what it is to live in the U.K. Maybe some of you have never visited & haven't been acquainted with our culture. This should provide you with some idea of what it's like. Make of it what you will.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DougieStew/s … gr%5Etweet


It immediately reminded me of the journeys home on the school bus.

Somebody needs to speed it up and add some Benny Hill music....

Place a bagel on some guy's head here in America = somebody is getting shot.

#1110 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 480 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
mitchejw wrote:
PaSnow wrote:

Trumps speech was ok.  The Tweets and media bashing has to stop tomorrow. No more time for that shit anymore. He's no longer campaigning. Presidency starts 7AM tomorrow, act like it.

I don't even hear his speech...Trump is a disingenuous cheeto...I'm sure he views these speeches as something of a reality show...

It was tepid, in a moderate way. Gone seemed the Bannon crazy rhetoric.

He was finally focused for one speech (teleprompter...GASP)  and shelved the crazy for one hour.

His substance still sucked: Build a wall, build up military, repeal ACA blah blah blah.

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