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#11241 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 920 weeks ago
Yeah, but considering everyone of those shows had different lineups, it pretty much cancels out your own point, lol.
2001 - Axl, Robin, Bucket, Paul, Tommy, Brain, Dizzy, Chris
2002 - Axl, Robin, Bucket, Richard, Tommy, Brain, Dizzy, Chris
2006 - Axl, Robin, Ron, Richard / Izzy (select shows), Tommy, Brain (NYC/Europe) / Frank (NA), Dizzy, Chris
2007 - Axl, Robin, Ron, Richard, Tommy, Frank, Dizzy, ChrisThe point I was trying to make was people knew it wasn't the Slash and Duff GNR but a new one.
They know what you're talking about, and what you're saying is true, BLS.
No one went in buying Chinese Democracy thinking Slash was playing on it. When they heard it on the radio, if they looked it up on the net, they would know it..... This new lineup and album has been talked about for over 10 years.
If anyone bought it only because they happened upon CD at Best Buy never hearing of the album before, bought it only because of the GNR name on it, still thinking Slash and Duff was in the band, I doubt that person had the ability to actually play the album for the lack of electricity under that rock they've lived in for 14 years.
#11242 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 920 weeks ago
misterID wrote:BLS-Pride wrote:I just hope there will be a next one.
I think its pretty safe to say there'll be a second. Going by his recent statements and attitude Axl has obviously not given up on this thing. The label made money. The band has proved they can sell 500,000 copies of an album in the US in just one store chain, with no promotion or original members. Still a pretty solid number in this day and for this band, especially.
I think he's still got some plans for CD. We'll see....
The band didn't prove anything. The album didn't prove anything. 500 000 copies did not sell based on this band or this album. Likely 99% of CD sales can be chalked up to the name GUNS N' ROSES. The 500 000 copies was a forgone conclusion. We all knew it'd have a built in number. What's shocking is that they didn't build off of it. They have proved absolutely NOTHING with this release. Only that the vast majority of people simply don't give two shits about an Axl Rose solo Gn'R. Fans on these sites can sit around and say the sales were pretty good actually considering. Well no they weren't. CD sales were a big dissapointment. The wait, the anticipation, the legacy of the Gn'R name, the revival of rock in 2008 with AC/DC and Metallica, all these things should've contributed to much higher sales. 500 000 copies after 4 months on the shelves? It's an epic fail in terms of sales for such a highly anticipated album.
I'm strictly talking sales so dont' anyone get their panties in a bunch over the quality of the album.
No offense, but a lot of you guys have yet to realize that hardly anyone gives a shit about the GNR name anymore and haven't since 1993.
And yes, it sold 500,000 copies because of the album. I don't know what built in number you're talking about. Any old school fans could have heard most of the album a long time ago and knew what was coming. If they didn't like it they wouldn't have bought it. That imaginary group of people who bought it not knowing what was on it, just because of the name.... Does not exist.
2 million copies is pretty damn good sales for an album. Let alone 500,000, like it or not.
#11243 Re: Guns N' Roses » Appetite '99 » 920 weeks ago
They should stream it on Myspace.
#11244 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 920 weeks ago
bigbri wrote:The way I see it, it's dead, and I don't mind. Bring on the next one.
I just hope there will be a next one.
I think its pretty safe to say there'll be a second. Going by his recent statements and attitude Axl has obviously not given up on this thing. The label made money. The band has proved they can sell 500,000 copies of an album in the US in just one store chain, with no promotion or original members. Still a pretty solid number in this day and for this band, especially.
I think he's still got some plans for CD. We'll see....
#11245 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tommy in Bass Player Mag » 920 weeks ago
The 'Axl being left to his own devices' sticks out the most. There's no doubt Axl had a lot of ideas, but it seems that no one was really there to help, not flesh them out, but create some kind of structure. As is CD suffers from too many ideas being thrown on a single song. It's really what stops the album from being great. CD the song is the prime example. What made the song cool was Tommy's bass, Axl's punkish vocals and Bucket's guitar noise. Now you can't hear any of it.
The sad thing is there is probably a ton of good producers who would have loved to work on CD.
#11246 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tommy in Bass Player Mag » 920 weeks ago
Wow. Thanks for posting that.
Man, I wish he coud have said this shit a long time ago. It really gives Axl's arguement on the creation of Chinese Democracy a whole new light. I truly believe that's what went down and took so long. Too bad Axl didn't say this a long time ago instead of keeping things vague and a secret for so long. And nice insights to how the initial recording porcess went. Makes me want to hear that 99 version of CD.
This shows me that if the 02 version of GNR would have been unleashed it would have been a monster. Tommy definitely wasn't the same on the 06 tour, neither was Robin.
Nice that he gave props to Duff. Sounds like this wait really had an affect on him.
#11247 Re: The Sunset Strip » Natasha Richardson (45) dies in Hospital following ski accident » 920 weeks ago
She was Patty Hearst and in The Handmaids Tale. She was a very, very good actress 
#11248 Re: Guns N' Roses » Appetite '99 » 920 weeks ago
People have 1999 version of Chinese Democracy. It's not too far fetched to think that the AFD redux isn't out there, too.
#11249 Re: Guns N' Roses » Dissecting Chinese Democracy: Track 2 - Shackler's Revenge » 921 weeks ago
Shackler's might be the one song that's grown on me the most.I really dig it now.
The only one I really don't like is This I Love. I dig the orchestrations and Robin's solo but that's about it.
#11250 Re: Guns N' Roses » Appetite '99 » 921 weeks ago
that Paradise City thing its a lie if that was true everybody would have it now
No, Axl said it happened in the very same convo with a fan where he broke the Black Hawk Down story 
There could be a possibility Bucket is on AFD redux. It would make sense seeing that he was added for touring purposes. And Youth said he left the CD sessions because he couldn't tear Axl away from re-recording AFD.
