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#1161 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago

I'd say it definitely is. They've been throwing the kitchen sink at him since August (not to mention since the beginning of his campaign), yet he's closed the "insurmountable" gap to Hillary in that time.

And according to who? The 4 released on Real Clear today show him ahead in two, tied in the third and behind 2 points in the fourth.

Also the Trump support sites I visit have done nothing but post polls every day for the last few weeks. They weren't doing that a month ago when he was way behind (a loss of almost 10 points in some for Hillary, which nobody is talking about).

Not that what happened so recently will be reflected in any of these of course. Well, the LA times daily tracker would, but he's ahead by 4 there so.

#1162 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago

Should be another boost for Trump then. Every time these gate keepers go against him his support grows.

#1163 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago

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Hillary Clinton used the same exact method as Donald Trump to pay less tax, according to her own tax returns released by her presidential campaign.

Donald Trump reportedly avoided paying federal income taxes by reporting massive losses on his 1995 tax return, which the New York Times somehow obtained before Trump himself released it.

The Wall Street Journal describes the loophole that Trump used:

    The tax treatment of losses, bound to become a subject of national debate, is a typically noncontroversial feature of the income-tax system. The government doesn’t pay net refunds when business owners lose money, but it lets taxpayers use those losses to smooth their tax payments as they make money. That reflects the fact that “the natural business cycle of a taxpayer may exceed 12 months,” according to a congressional report.

    Typically, for federal returns, such net operating losses can be carried backward for two years to offset past income and then kept on a taxpayer’s books for 20 years, though Mr. Trump’s losses could only qualify for a 15-year carryforward under the law at the time.

The Clinton campaign has hammered Trump on his unreleased tax returns. When pundits on cable news now refer to the “Taxes” issue, they’re usually talking about Trump’s personal “taxes” issue, not the taxes paid by American voters.

But the Zerohedge blog first noticed something that could undercut Clinton’s ability to hit Trump on his “net operating losses.”

Clinton’s 2015 tax returns reveal that Hillary Clinton also reported capital gains losses in order to lessen her tax burden through a “carryover.”

Page 17 of the tax returns show “Capital Gains and Losses” for “WILLIAM J CLINTON & HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON.”

The Clintons reported a “Long-term capital loss carryover” of $699,540.

Thus, the Clintons reported a “Net long-term capital gain or (loss)” of “-699,540.”

Clinton campaign spokesman Nick Merrill did not immediately return Breitbart News’s request for comment.

And where did the Bill come from?

Developers Get $366-Million Tax Break in Budget Bill

WASHINGTON — Hemmed in by the deficit, White House and congressional budget negotiators have been forced to jettison or scale back many of President Clinton's domestic initiatives. But that has not stopped them from finding a few hundred million dollars for politically influential real estate developers.

Working quietly behind the scenes, the commercial real estate industry already has won from budget negotiators a lucrative tax break of $366 million over five years.

The provision, quietly approved by a House-Senate conference committee late last week, would make it possible for developers to avoid additional taxes when they are able to persuade their bankers to reduce the amount of loans that they must repay for office buildings and other commercial properties.

Such forgiven debt now is considered taxable income. But the White House and Congress have agreed to make a special exemption from that law for commercial real estate.

The revision would mean a windfall for developers from Orange County to New England who overbuilt in the 1980s and now are trying to get out from under mortgage payments for office buildings that sit empty.

Developers maintained that the provision is needed to provide stability to many of the nation's hardest hit real estate markets. Industry officials also said that they will agree to other real estate tax measures to offset the costs of this provision.

Even so, the tax break has been approved at a time when many other tax incentives have been stripped out of the budget by congressional negotiators seeking to enhance government revenues to meet the Administration's deficit targets and to fund other Administration programs.

The tax break was sought by a powerful coalition of real estate developers and bankers, including the National Realty Committee, the National Assn. of Realtors and the American Bankers Assn.

Indeed, the success of the real estate industry in a period of such fiscal austerity offers a glimpse of how some special interests are able to get what they want in Washington.

Tax experts here said that the Clinton White House agreed to the tax break to win the influential commercial real estate industry's support for the rest of the budget. Clinton, facing tight votes on the budget in both House and Senate, has been scrambling for support from an array of groups and has shown a willingness to compromise on many elements of his budget in return.

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-07-27/ … -s-support

#1164 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago

bigbri wrote:
polluxlm wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

I came out on Facebook that I'm voting for Clinton. My republican friends think I've lost my mind.

Oh my...me thinks you're going to regret that when Clinton turns out to be just as bad as Obama, probably worse.

She should be able to work with Republicans, whom she's worked with before, and she's not black, so they won't automatically hate her. In fact, many have endorsed her, so the relationship between the president and and Congress is not going to be nearly as bad. Besides, the polls again are swinging back toward the Democrats taking the Senate, so she'll at least have one lawmaking body on her side. 

I actually think you'll see far more shit get done. And I think Hillary will push for changes to Obamacare, which should absolutely delight the GOP House.

Also, since Trump is not a member of Congress, he won't be hanging around to make things difficult for her, nor will Mike Pence, whom his own state citizens don't like.

That's what I'm worried about. Continuing to implement the global society will not turn out well for the common man.

If Hillary has any personal vision, which I sincerely doubt, I think it could be even worse.

#1165 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

I came out on Facebook that I'm voting for Clinton. My republican friends think I've lost my mind.

Oh my...me thinks you're going to regret that when Clinton turns out to be just as bad as Obama, probably worse.

#1166 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago

I gotta say, seeing this thread title then reading the contents made my day. You just have to laugh.

SG, I love your optimism, but I don't think it's going to work this time around. Obviously politics is an explosive subject, especially this year. Absolute civility might be asking too much. And we're not going to not have an election thread on Evo.

So you know what, have at it. We're making this a free zone. Get it all out of the system.
Obv. no law breaking etc. Just a place to duke it out if need be.

That being said, I don't want to see as much as an allusion to beefs from here in other threads.

#1167 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 501 weeks ago

Closing this until we can come up with something better.

#1168 Re: The Sunset Strip » Most Recent Movie You've Seen » 502 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
polluxlm wrote:

I know. She was perfect.

If she had been guilty it would have been even better. Now she's just a pretty girl who got caught up in the machinations of a deranged police chief. His story is even more entertaining than hers. Some American fiction writer came over to research for a serial killer novel. Ended up with this chief accusing him of being a serial killer.

So wait, what?!  That bitch did it!!   Surely you guys don't think she's innocent do you?

From what I've read it seems highly unlikely she did it. The killer was caught and he had left a bunch of evidence behind (which is standard), but nothing from Knox. The bar owner she accused corroborates her claim that the police used illegal methods when interrogating (known to create false testimony).

Then you have the police chief who (like the detectives in charge of the Thomas Quick murders in Scandinavia), tried to make a name for himself by solving a "unique case". Well, there's a reason they're unique. That shit just doesn't happen.

#1169 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 502 weeks ago

Sorry mate. While I have nothing against some harsh language to spice up a point, I do have better things to do than read page upon page of pure insults and the drama that follows.

#1170 Re: Guns N' Roses » European Tour 2017 Thread » 502 weeks ago

Think it will be either Sweden or Germany for me. Love the Netherlands, but I hate that Pink Pop festival. Such a let down coming from Roskilde, and ironically the only time I ever got busted for weed (for those who don't know, it's one of the few countries in Europe where weed is semi legal).

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