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#1171 Re: Guns N' Roses » Vídeos PROSHOT with audio SOUNDBOARD Tour 2016 » 502 weeks ago

Axl sounds pretty good on Jungle, especially the demanding end.

Estranged is too delicate for him it seems. You wouldn't think it be too hard to sing, but I find him struggling ever since they started playing it again a few years ago.

#1172 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 502 weeks ago

Buzz & ID

I see you two lovebirds are at it again. Something got lost in translation the last time we did this?

You can both take the weekend off. Buzz for calling people names, and ID for egging him on.

#1173 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 502 weeks ago

Cramer wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

The establishment is getting together to protect their interests.  None of this should surprise anyone.

Yes, it's a giant conspiracy. Couldn't have anything to do with what was laid out in that article, or what everybody has been posting here for the last few months.

monkeychow wrote:

Trump has nearly 4 billion USD....that makes him part of The Establishment in my book.

Absolutely. He's been woven into the American culture now for 30+ years. He brags about being part of the establishment, while selling himself as an outsider. Who could be so gullible to fall for that?

As I stated prior, this is unprecedented from both media and any political party (in my life anyway.)

Yeah, after decades of immoral and corrupt behavior the establishment is suddenly having a fit of conscience. That's why they are against Trump! 14

Right. And if he was part of their club and would benefit them, you'd think they wouldn't be so virulently opposed to him, no? Or is that the big conspiracy? I mean, which is it? An establishment turned to conscientiousness, or a big conspiracy?

If there's anyone who is establishment here it is Hillary Clinton with her queue of donors filling her pockets with hundreds of millions. You don't care about that?

#1174 Re: The Sunset Strip » Most Recent Movie You've Seen » 502 weeks ago

I know. She was perfect.

If she had been guilty it would have been even better. Now she's just a pretty girl who got caught up in the machinations of a deranged police chief. His story is even more entertaining than hers. Some American fiction writer came over to research for a serial killer novel. Ended up with this chief accusing him of being a serial killer.

#1175 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 502 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

So?

She looks funny. That's all.

#1176 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 502 weeks ago

bigbri wrote:

You are in the minority by a wide margin if you think Trump held his own.

How can you say Trump was the only one to address the issues?

1) Hillary did indeed mention taxes. " What I have proposed would cut regulations and streamline them for small businesses. What I have proposed would be paid for by raising taxes on the wealthy, because they have made all the gains in the economy. And I think it’s time that the wealthy and corporations paid their fair share to support this country.

2) Hillary did indeed mention the economy. " I don’t think top-down works in America. I think building the middle class, investing in the middle class, making college debt-free so more young people can get their education, helping people refinance their — their debt from college at a lower rate. Those are the kinds of things that will really boost the economy. Broad-based, inclusive growth is what we need in America, not more advantages for people at the very top.

3) She didn't mention immigration. Trump did once, and it was a lie. "In addition, I was just endorsed by ICE. They’ve never endorsed anybody before on immigration. " A government agency would not endorse a candidate. A union endorsed him though. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 … trump.html

On the flip side, he didn't address low worker pay, corporate tax rates, clean energy solutions, student debt, he didn't address infrastructure investment, he didn't address runaway CEO pay, he agreed with Hillary on child care, he agreed with her on limiting guns to those on the no-fly list, he agreed with her on cyberwarfare, he agreed with her comments on nuclear proliferation, but of course he would allow Japan, Saudi Arabia and others to get nukes, he didn't address for profit prisons, he didn't address mental health care, he didn't address a strategy to defeat ISIS, etc.

In the meantime, he admitted he didn't pay federal taxes, he basically admitted he welcomed the housing crisis, he suggested China occupy North Korea, he lied about his Iraq war opposition, he lied about his climate change beliefs, he basically admitted he was sued for racial bias in housing but got off by "settling" without admitting guilt, he admitted he didn't pay workers he employed at his facilities.

Not to mention his constant interruptions of both Clinton and Holt. He looked bad, he sounded bad, he resorted to verbal diarrhea often. It was a complete failure on his part.

I expect he'll do better next time. Hard to do worse.

She is talking about side issues because she can't touch the major issues. Hundreds of millions received from these corporations, where is her credibility? Student debt and ceo pay she says when the country is trillions and debt and spending like a drunken sailor on insane policies, exactly because of corrupt politicians like her. Why should we take anything she says seriously? She's the very definition of sounds nice on paper but not going to happen.

Trump on the other hand is a free agent. No favors owed to the established power structure. And what he says is succinct and to the point. Less taxes and less regulation creates a better business environment. More freedom and more spending power is what everyone wants. You need to take the guns away from criminals, not law abiding citizens. He presents a tried solution that has worked very well in NY city. He says something people can understand and believe. Hillary promising great things and check out her web site is not going to appeal to anyone outside the hardcore fan base.

The ICE comment is a partial lie. He did get endorsed by their union, so technically he can claim that's what he meant. It's certainly not a lie that he has a lot of support there. And I counted at least a half a dozen similar and worse examples from Hillary, hell she even had the moderator join in and claim things about Trump that simply weren't true on two separate occasions. Trump supporting the Iraq war, which was ludicrous to try and use against him considering Hillary supported it, and to claim stop and frisk was unconstitutional when it isn't. 

Maybe he'll do better, maybe not. Hard to win when the ref is on the other team. He has the potential though. With Hillary I think this is the best she's going to get. Pulled every possible pot shot at Trump and the results were hardly devastating.

#1178 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 502 weeks ago

Not a porn star unfortunately.

Just an accessory to murder apparently...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we8OnvlWSHg

Hillary knows how to pick them.

#1179 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 502 weeks ago

Cramer wrote:

Trump constantly talked all over Hillary and Holt. If anybody thinks that's bias for Clinton, I'm not sure what to say. If anything I'd say Holt was MIA, and we were both pointing that out during the debate. Where is the moderator? He's still talking, he's still interrupting...

I don't see how Trump can do any better next time, because this is Trump. He's a one trick pony. This worked for the GOP debates because he had small snippet to work with and a dozen other candidates that needed to talk. In a 1-1 format for 90 minutes he runs out of steam and his shtick only takes him so far.

Exactly, MIA not biased. Probably because it would be making it too obvious if Trump was being reigned in when the moderator wanted to let Hillary get away with another scathing attack, on top of giving him all the tough questions. Worked out though, letting him ramble is what caused him trouble.

You are right that they wore him down, but he also rebounded and won the very end. Hillary didn't look too comfortable either when she had to resort to claims of misogyny and racism. If he gets down and dirty it could get ugly for her.

#1180 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 502 weeks ago

The rumors are definitely exaggerated. Trump had 11 bad minutes. 1.18 to 1.29. Admittedly very bad, but aside from that he was even or winning. People seem to forget that Hillary was absolutely vapid for most of the time, only making an impact when attacking Trump.

The last 7 minutes he definitely won. He had Hillary listing her congress grilling as an achievement and trying to label equal pay for equal work as a horrible misogynistic statement. He parried nicely too when calling her experience bad experience, and when she descended into paraphrasing Megyn Kelly with the racist and hater claims I think he is the one that tipped her over the edge. Trump's bad stretch was completely his own fault. Nor the moderator or Hillary put him in any spot there, he just farted. Probably not sure what to say and to avoid going into unchartered territory started repeating himself. Not the worst mistake if he avoids it in the future.

Once the novelty of people having another laugh at Trump wears out you'll see republicans and trumpers start to pounce on the fact that Trump clearly won the policy battle. Trump citing the 75% drop in the murder rate in New York over the last decades, and Hillary responding that he needs to stop saying things that just sounds nice but has no stats to back it up. What? I guess a pre rehearsed line that just didn't fit that argument. Trump was the only one to say anything about taxes, the economy, the fed, outsourcing, immigration, inner city violence etc. etc. Hillary was just reciting empty platitudes, reading from a sheet at her desk. She did her attacks on Trump well, but none of them did much damage. She was lucky he screwed himself up for a moment, if not there'd be no doubt he won it.

And how can you say letting them both do as they wished being biased? Maybe that's not good moderation, but it's certainly not biased. The questions on the other hand definitely were extremely biased. Trump getting pressed again and again in places where he's weak. Did Hillary get pressed even once? With her record? The bias was ridiculous in that regard.

It didn't help them though. Trump fucked himself last night. If he can fix that for the next two he'll have all the advantages. Attacking Trump has been Hillary's only game from the start, and so far it hasn't really been all that effective.

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