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#1201 Re: Guns N' Roses » Dissecting Chinese Democracy: Track 2 - Shackler's Revenge » 895 weeks ago
it could actually make a good opener or encore opener.
they could start shackler's the same way they do the teaser with the opening Jungle riff
#1202 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 895 weeks ago
war wrote:I won't get into it with any of you about what is constructive and what is blind negativity and will just say this:
the quality of music is minimally indicative of the success of the album.
if the reason the cd only sold close to 3 million worldwide was due to it being a bad album:
you wouldn't see other artists with crappier albums selling double or triple that.
and
you would see the album doing poorly across the globe, not just the u.s.
with money, like axl or geffen has, you could successfully promote and sell axl farting into the microphone to some of the most mindless sheep that are spending their money or their parents money on music these days.
the reasons gnr only sold close to 3 million albums are:
- 3 million is actually a lot of albums these days
- the album only being sold at best buy where THE TARGET audience doesn't shop
- GNR is no longer relevant and has done nothing to become relevant by promoting itself or the the album since '02.I agree with everything except 3 million world wide being a big seller. Look at what a rock band with a 60 year old front man, AC/DC, did world wide. Its more of a promotion thing, but still, there aren't any real "hits" or "singles" on the album. Sales aren't a reflection on quality, but when we talk about Appetite, we always talk about Album Sales, so you can't have it both ways. And then you have VR, they didn't even have the name Guns N Roses, but they DID promote and they DID have 2 hit singles.
ac/dc put out a decent album, promoted it, are touring it, and the album is selling well.
gnr put out a good album, did nothing to promote it, and probably won't promote any future tour (unless they co-headline, in which case, it will be promoted by everyone involved but gnr). Their album didn't sell as well as ac/dc.
the appetite comment has nothing to do with me cause i don't , personally, choose to have it both ways. i like appetite because i think it is a great album. i liked it when it came out, before it was popular, so that wouldn't change if it stayed underground.
velvet revolver may not be named gnr but it is 3/4 of the last known version of gnr and at a minimum 1/2 to joe public. VR also got busy while the gnr iron was still luke warm and put out a decent album and so the people responded by buying it. it was the closest to gnr they had. had CD came out at the exact same time as contraband it would have blown it out of the water IMO.
as far as cd lacking singles, i agree there are no 'Jungles and no 'SCOM's i'll give you that.
Keep in mind, though, these days the music comes last and that includes the singles. artists no longer tour to promote their albums. they promote their tours by releasing albums or leaking songs. if gnr toured this summer with bach and the suicide girls it would out sell the '06 tour.
i also don't think they've released the right songs. had they released 'sorry right before axl got chatty about his hatred toward slash this song could've created some buzz for the album. i also think ITW and SOD would make good singles.
#1203 Re: Guns N' Roses » 'Chinese Democracy' Officially Drops out of the Billboard Top 200 » 895 weeks ago
I won't get into it with any of you about what is constructive and what is blind negativity and will just say this:
the quality of music is minimally indicative of the success of the album.
if the reason the cd only sold close to 3 million worldwide was due to it being a bad album:
you wouldn't see other artists with crappier albums selling double or triple that.
and
you would see the album doing poorly across the globe, not just the u.s.
with money, like axl or geffen has, you could successfully promote and sell axl farting into the microphone to some of the most mindless sheep that are spending their money or their parents money on music these days.
the reasons gnr only sold close to 3 million albums are:
- 3 million is actually a lot of albums these days
- the album only being sold at best buy where THE TARGET audience doesn't shop
- GNR is no longer relevant and has done nothing to become relevant by promoting itself or the the album since '02.
#1204 Re: Guns N' Roses » GnR holding audititons for a replacement for Robin? » 896 weeks ago
Axlin08 wrote:I'm not comparing Estranged to TIL. I'm comparing NR to TIL, and Estranged to TWAT.
Thre's one major difference between NR and TIL and that difference is Slash. I have said many times that Slash saved NR from being a sappy love song with the guitar solo and the outro. I still believe this. TIL doesn't have that same magic, so I can totally see loving NR and thinking TIL is a sappy pile of crap. NR was a sappy pile of crap that was saved by Slash's work.
this is where you and i differ and have done so in the past.
i agree that slash's work on november rain is awesome, although, i don't think a solo can save a song (and i'm a guitarist). to me, it sounds like a sappy piece of crap with some great guitar work played over the top off a bunch of fake instruments (not a a great song).
I think nr is a good song released by a band at the pinnacle if it's popularity and at the perfect time.
#1205 Re: Guns N' Roses » GnR holding audititons for a replacement for Robin? » 896 weeks ago
based on favortie song or favorite vocals/lyrics?
#1206 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses planning Summer '09 tour? » 896 weeks ago
war wrote:journey is also awesome
with steveWhich Steve?
really?
steve perry as opposed to arnel pineda, who is great.......but you cannot replace the voice of steve perry.
#1207 Re: Guns N' Roses » Dissecting Chinese Democracy: Track 2 - Shackler's Revenge » 896 weeks ago
like the song, listen to it once in a great while. like riad, the chorus doesn't fit the rest of the song. these two songs could destroy anything out there today if the choruses were mean like the rest of the song/s.
#1208 Re: Guns N' Roses » GnR holding audititons for a replacement for Robin? » 896 weeks ago
axlin - you make some good points but i find some similarities between nr and twat. they both suck until they hit the the outro. the last couple minutes of these two songs are some of the best gnr has to offer from any album.
neemo- you also make some good points but i would never call the vocals in til boradway. just because the rasp is not always there doesn't mean it's broadway.
madagas - i agree that the til lyrics are as true if not more true (which i would lean on) than estranged but i'd give the nod to estranged lyrics being better written. it's like a trade off for axl. if i say exactly what i'm felling it'll be really heavy but i'll also come off sounding like a 16 year old girl.
#1209 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses planning Summer '09 tour? » 896 weeks ago
journey is also awesome
with steve
#1210 Re: Guns N' Roses » GnR holding audititons for a replacement for Robin? » 896 weeks ago
because, unfortunately, it's not always about the music
