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#1251 The Garden » Are You Ready To Hand Over Your Music to Amazon » 787 weeks ago

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Thought this article was interesting:

http://www.news.com.au/technology/are-y … 6035505937

Are you ready to hand over your music to Amazon?
FIRST music went digital, then we started downloading it. Soon it may be time to let go altogether.

Pop songs may have moved from vinyl to tape to CD and now iTunes, but one thing has always remained more or less the same.

That's a sense of tangible ownership.

Even MP3s, for the most part, are stored on a device that you can hold in your hand — an iPod, or a laptop, or an external hard-drive.

But the next big shift in music consumption may be to let go altogether and let someone else store your favourite albums for you.

Amazon last week launched a new application called Cloud Player, which has already started shaking up the music industry.

The record labels seem to hate it, tech journos are going nuts for it and Apple is no doubt very, very worried.

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Why? Because it has the potential to replace iTunes.

Cloud Player relies on a new Amazon service called Cloud Drive which allows you to keep your files on the internet instead of your computer.

What the Player does is let you stream music from the Drive to any computer with a web browser like Internet Explorer, or to Android smartphones like the HTC Desire.

When you buy new music from Amazon, you don't need to download it. It just goes straight to your Cloud Drive.

However it's not only for music available on Amazon. You can also store your own song library on there.

The Cloud Player makes that easy to do by scanning your computer for songs — including those on iTunes — and uploading them to the Drive for you.

You get 5GB of space free when you sign up — enough for about 40 albums — and up to 1000GB if you want to pay for it.

Music bought from Amazon is hosted for free and doesn't count towards your limit.

Listen from anywhere

The big selling point of Cloud Player is that it frees up your songs from the limits of a single computer.

Using iTunes, you can authorise several computers to play songs purchased through the iTunes Store — but in some ways, they are still locked to the one you downloaded them to.

For example, if you were to buy a new computer, the first thing you might do is load iTunes and try to download all the songs you'd purchased again.

No dice.

You have to go back to your old computer and transfer them to the new one manually, by burning a CD or moving them over a network.

With the Amazon system, your music will always be there on Cloud Drive no matter which computer or Android phone you're using.

The downside is that you'll have to be connected to the internet to listen to it, and it could eat up your download quota.

The other downside, for some, is having to say goodbye to the idea of music as something you can store on the shelf or even your own computer.

Australians won't have to tackle that decision for a while. The Cloud Player is only available in the US for the moment.

However it's only a matter of time before Amazon's service, or one like it, hits our shores.

Both Google and Apple are thought to have been working on similar services for years and are expected to launch them soon.

There are also a number of start-ups doing the same thing, though they don't have the same clout or reach as the tech giants.

In December 2009, Apple purchased an online music store called Lala which had similar features to Cloud Player. It was shut down in early 2010.

Meanwhile, details of Google Music have been trickling out for the past year — but it has yet to see the light of day.

Some experts think Google and Apple could be waiting to see how Amazon's new service fares in the market before launching their own versions.

Cloud Player has already raised the hackles of at least one major record label and it looks like there may be a legal battle in the future.

Shaking up the industry

Not only has Amazon beaten its rivals to the punch with Cloud Player, it's also issued a challenge to the music industry.

When Cloud Player was launched, it was reported that record labels such as Sony Music had been given just one week's prior notice.

That snub no doubt led to the cool public response from Sony, which was, more or less — we've rung the lawyers.

"We're keeping all of our legal options open," a spokesperson told Reuters the day Cloud Player was unveiled.

Sony's beef was that Amazon hadn't struck a licensing deal with the company to stream music by its artists, meaning it wouldn't get any money from people using the new service.

Amazon's response was blunt — we don't need to strike a deal.

"Cloud Player is an application that lets customers manage and play their own music," a spokesperson told Ars Technica.

"It's like any number of existing media management applications. We do not need a license to make Cloud Player available."

Amazon's argument is that it only stores music that its users already own, and therefore already have the rights to play.

"The functionality of saving MP3s to Cloud Drive is the same as if a customer were to save their music to an external hard drive," the spokesperson said.

Because Cloud Player doesn't include the ability — officially, at least — to share songs with other users, Amazon may dodge some of the legal problems faced by other services.

Music streaming and sharing website Grooveshark was sued by EMI in 2009, before reaching an agreement to pay licensing fees to the label. It has since been sued by Universal as well.

EMI did take legal action against a service similar to Cloud Player — which didn't allow sharing — called MP3tunes in 2007, but it lost the case and was not allowed to inspect the files stored by users.

If Amazon does manage to get away without deals with the major labels, it will also distinguish Cloud Player from its rival across the Atlantic, Spotify.

Spotify, which has up to 10 million users but is only available in Europe, offers unlimited streaming of songs — but only those covered by licensing deals.

Spotify users also have to sign up for a paid account to stream music on their phones, while the Cloud Player app is free.

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#1252 Re: The Garden » Ex Gn’R manager chats exclusively about his new act Tom Hollister Trio » 789 weeks ago

Yeah there was a good cover of Mr Brownstone that Chris did but he seems to have taken that one down.  Presumably doesn't want to perpetuate the Slash comparison.

I really like the guitar stuff at the end of "Tied Up in Blue" and there's some cool playing in "Run" too.  The vocalists voice sounds great also for a guy so young, he's got quite a mature sound.

Scoring Chris Kimsey to be producer on your first record is a pretty big win for a relatively unknown group too.

I dare say Niven's apparent willingness to do interviews about the past (when he hasn't really before) may have more to do with promoting his current projects than really giving a shit about GNR and how things went down 20 odd years ago.

#1253 Guns N' Roses » Axl Pic » 789 weeks ago

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I was trawlling through google looking for a particular photoshop pic of Axl when I came accross this photo.  Never seen it before so thought I would share it, has anyone else seen it before?

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Also I am looking for a photoshop pic which has Axl from this original pic below and he has his foot on the table at a kids birthday party and there is a little kid in the background bawling his eyes out.  Anyone have a copy of that?

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#1254 Re: Guns N' Roses » RUMOR: GN'R Planning SA tour around RIR » 789 weeks ago

apex-twin wrote:
madagas wrote:

I think Chinese would have been much better received as an Axl solo record.

Half a star to one star more in anyone's book.

However, people would've noted that while the production is like from a supercharged UYI III, there is not one 'above the cut' guitarist keeping it all together anymore. IMO, Axl needs lead guitarists as songwriting partners, which he now has in DJ (the little I like his adverts) and Ron, and he needs to allow them to rise to the occasion.

I've often wondered if he is too scared to let one of the guitarists really shine and play a leading part, lest he end up in a similar position to when Slash left.  Having three guitarists and with no one in particular really the star lead guy helps him hedge his bets.  If one leaves then they are much eaiser to replace and people won't say, oh but XYZ guitarist is no longer with him it's not GNR anymore.

I mean after Slash it happened to him again to a lesser extent with Bucket.  Perhaps he doesn't want a third guitarist to become too iconic and synonomous with the GNR name.

#1255 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N'Roses to play Rock in Rio » 790 weeks ago

Well at least this RiR thing is some positive news albeit it a long way further off.  At least it appears the band is still together and something is still happening.  Hopefully more stuff - music/concerts will follow.

#1256 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » RockAAA Interview With Alan Niven » 790 weeks ago

Part 3 added to the original post.

ppp wrote:

I can't believe he keeps breaking the #1 rule of managers/agents/etc: Never insult your client or former client. Yet he does it over and over again and not just with Axl. I've read numerous interviews where he's gone off on Steven and Izzy and the band as a whole.

Let me quote the last line of that interview:

“Izzy, was, to me, the heart of the soul of the band.”

Yeah sounds like Niv always goes off at Izzy and insults him at every opportunity.

#1257 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » RockAAA Interview With Alan Niven » 790 weeks ago

I'm not sure that's an insult.  It was well known Izzy had a major heroin addiction so that's just a factual statement.

All I ever seem to read is Niven saying how cool Izzy was and what a good vibe he gave off and how important he was in the songwriting and how he got on with Izzy the best etc etc.

Steven on the other hand - well yeah the guy is obviously a fuckup, we don't need Niven to tell us that.  Steven does a good enough job himself to remind us of that. 16

#1258 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » RockAAA Interview With Alan Niven » 790 weeks ago

Ive never heard him ever say anything bad about Izzy?  Can you show me one of those numerous interviews where he insults Izzy?

#1259 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » RockAAA Interview With Alan Niven » 790 weeks ago

Jamester - I added Part 1 of the interview to your post above.

Doesn't sound to me like Niven is tipping a reunion, he said:

"I have never been a betting man, but if I were I would definitely bet on a reunion because the odds would be so good".  I take that to mean very long odds and therefore unlikely to happen.

#1260 Re: The Garden » Casey the punisher » 790 weeks ago

Yeah when I saw that I thought good on the kid for giving it back to the little piece of shit.

That's the best way to teach the kid a lesson.  I bet he will seriously think twice about ever bullying someone else again.  Had that not happened you can bet this kid would keep on doing this and only getting worse as he got older.

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