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#1411 Re: Guns N' Roses » 1/7/16 SOLDIER FIELD, CHICAGO, IL UNITED STATES » 515 weeks ago
Quick summary : frank is still trying to push the pace at times, but they held hIm back fairly well.
#1412 Re: Guns N' Roses » 1/7/16 SOLDIER FIELD, CHICAGO, IL UNITED STATES » 515 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:It is pretty full and getting more crowded. Pits are packed solid. I am not a big AIC fan. Will probably skip them Sunday.
Well if you didn't like them before the lead singer died I'd hardly expect you to like them now.
Would you have preferred Kravitz?
Yes, but only because I haven't seen him live. AIC is fine, but this is the 3rd time in a few months.
#1413 Re: Guns N' Roses » 1/7/16 SOLDIER FIELD, CHICAGO, IL UNITED STATES » 515 weeks ago
It is pretty full and getting more crowded. Pits are packed solid. I am not a big AIC fan. Will probably skip them Sunday.
#1414 Re: Guns N' Roses » 1/7/16 SOLDIER FIELD, CHICAGO, IL UNITED STATES » 515 weeks ago
Made it in time to see AIC. Not sure that's a good thing.
#1415 Re: Guns N' Roses » 1/7/16 SOLDIER FIELD, CHICAGO, IL UNITED STATES » 515 weeks ago
I'll be there at some point. Not sure about catching AIC.
#1416 Re: The Garden » Michael Jackson's home contained child pornography, animal torture » 516 weeks ago
I don't really care tbh. I can separate the person from the art. I like a lot of his art; I couldn't care less about the person. None of this should really shock anyone or change what they already felt about him.
#1417 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 517 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Omg no. Society has every right to force morality on the rest of society. Every right. Not just a right, it's an expectation. Otherwise you have a society with no law because every single law on the books is forcing morality on people. Every single one.
Ugh... seriously? That's not what I said. An individual does not get to choose what's right for another person. Of course society decides laws, but the guiding principle should be personal freedom, which means that you don't just forbid things because they make someone uncomfortable.
buzzsaw wrote:What you're really saying is you get to choose what can and can't be morally forced on people.
No, what I'm saying is that I don't get to choose, but you don't either!
buzzsaw wrote:You say murder is a bad example because it's against a singled out individual. Fine. Killing one person is wrong but the Orlando shooting is fine because it didn't single any one person out?
That's so besides the point. Fine, let me rephrase: murder is a bad example because it directly and physically impacts another person or group of persons. Let me give an example of what you're saying that is actually a good analogy: you're effectively saying that insulting someone should be illegal, because it hurts their feelings. I'm saying fuck your feelings, man up and live your own life.
Tell that to the transgender people that refuse the option of their own bathroom because that makes them uncomfortable.
#1418 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slither » 517 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:This is like so 10 hours ago lol. Yes pretty cool. I know some will be pissed because prior to the shows many said "why would Axl sing anything from VR or Slash, that isn't GNR and CD is".
I certainly wouldn't be opposed to it, but I would be surprised. I think it would be a good sign though if Axl was willing to sing a VR track or two. Still would rather hear Messages though. That song never really got noticed by the public. If they broke thst out people would probably think it's a new GNR song and I'd imagine it would be well received. Would be sort of a nice tribute to Scott too if they wanted to go in that direction.
Messages and twat at the same show in Chicago would be perfect. Because so few know it, gnr could almost make it their song.
#1419 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slither » 517 weeks ago
Someone at "truth" said it...
What an ironic name for a website.
#1420 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 517 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Actually that's exactly what it does. Society gets to choose what is acceptable otherwise there would be no laws. For example killing someone could be completely comfortable for someone. Does that mean they can do it when they want to?
Bad example, killing someone singles out a specific person and does a bit more than just "hurt their feelings". James' niece necking with another girl has zero real impact on him.
buzzsaw wrote:Or in a more relevant comparison a perv can go into a woman's bathroom and claim to identify as a woman and that's okay as long as they don't assault someone?
Lesbians can do that today... what's the difference?
buzzsaw wrote:It's fine to make the women uncomfortable in that case to protect the small amount of transgender people? It's not ok to make a transgender person uncomfortable by giving them a separate bathroom to use but it's okay to make everyone else uncomfortable so they aren't?
It's not about protecting a specific group, it's about not forcing ones own morality upon the rest of society. What I'm saying is that I don't necessarily care any more or less about transgenders than I do about other people, and I don't care if either of those get offended. But neither should be protected from being offended by the law because that would limit everyones freedom of expression. Society's norms change over time because we have the freedom to challenge the status quo, and that's a good thing, and I will argue in favor of it every single time.
Omg no. Society has every right to force morality on the rest of society. Every right. Not just a right, it's an expectation. Otherwise you have a society with no law because every single law on the books is forcing morality on people. Every single one.
What you're really saying is you get to choose what can and can't be morally forced on people. You say murder is a bad example because it's against a singled out individual. Fine. Killing one person is wrong but the Orlando shooting is fine because it didn't single any one person out?
That's the problem. Someone or some society always gets to choose. That can and does change over time, but you couldn't be more wrong with your stance.
