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#1681 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 379 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:mitchejw wrote:I mean...i know you want to be past it. But let’s be honest, you were never really concerned about any of this were you?
Nope. Nor am I bothered by white people being called "offensive" names like cracker or honky. We've completely jumped the shark on this PC bullshit. Nothing has any meaning anymore and now the things that are actually offensive get lost in the noise of the stuff that's no big deal.
Go watch shows like All in the Family or The Jeffersons. Great shows that wouldn't even be aired today. Pussification of America is continuing and people are getting tired of it.
Those shows were all about how poorly this country is handling race. Those shows might be the first time people saw the whole spectrum of American responses.
It’s pretty terrible that we haven’t grown at all since the 70s....not one bit.
If i have to pick a side i don’t choose yours. If by pussification you mean that we all have to tolerate your indifference and your insensitivity then no...that’s not happening anymore. It’s far more complex than PC culture. We seek to exterminate you and those like you from our political party and replace you with the 50 percent of people in this country who disengaged from the political process and don’t feel represented because we were willing to tolerate the Ralph Northans and buzzsaws of the world in exchange for a win at the ballot box.
I’m genuinely trying to learn here. What is so problematic about our race relations in this country? I get that there is a disparity among, income, poverty, crime, property, and education between the various ethnic groups. Everyone agrees on that. Anyone who calls a black person the “N” word, is going to be universally admonished. Same thing for anyone who would use a similar slur for any other ethnic group, religious sect, or sexual persuasion. Everyone agrees that degrading people based off those characteristics is wrong. Some asshole who drives past the migrant workers at a Home Depot and yells something is a prick. No one is going to argue with you.
Any kind of violence against any race is also met with outrage and punishment. The kid here in Pittsburgh, Antwon Rose, was involved in a drive by shooting, had the gun powder residue on his hands, a magazine in his pocket, and the gun with his prints under the seat of the car he ran from, was shot in the back by the cop. Wide spread outrage and condemnation. The officer was arrested and is on trial for murder. This was a bad kid who had just minutes earlier attempted to murder another person. Yet, the officer was properly arrested and is being prosecuted to the greatest extent of the law. The people collectively expressed outrage at the officer’s actions, despite the quality of person Rose appears to have been - he attempted to kill people in cold blood. I’m just saying he’s the worst example you’d want to pick for an example of police brutality, and our society is putting the officer on trial for murder that could result in him spending the rest of his life in prison. This is exactly what you’d expect in a society that abhors institutional and legal racism. We do that.
I don’t know what else you’d expect our society to do in that situation.
Many people are going to disagree on how best to resolve the agreed upon disparity. There’s going to be disagreements on the source of the problem. But, we are objectively at the best place we’ve ever been. Every demographic is better off today than it was at any other point in time. It’s been that way for a very long time.
There’s an argument, and I believe you’re articulating it, that this nation is embroiled in a revival of institutional racism. That things are somehow getting worse. I don’t know how this opinion is qualified. I don’t understand the standards to which it is evaluated from.
Maybe you can enlighten me. But I genuinely believe that there’s an incentive to seek outrage so one can be offended in our public discourse, particularly on social media and televised media. By being offended, it’s assumed you have a right to seek removal of the offense. It’s a form of power, as evidenced by the monopoly of opininions by the loudest platforms and personalities. If you disagree, you’re shunned by your opponents as have given offense by holding a conclusion that is itself, offensive.
Racism is the worst thing you can accuse someone of, save sexual assault. And since racism is an idea, it’s much easier to be tossed around. I think a lot of people seek out things to be offended by, and quickly find a way to interpret it as some sort of “ism” so they can gain power to feign offense and demand some sort of compensation.
It’s a lot easier to yell “racist” in a discussion, then formulate a strong argument. I just see more and more of this behavior in our society.
#1682 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 379 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:No.
https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fac … blackface/
I saw some people sharing it on Facebook during 2016, and immediately called bullshit on it. Anyone can look at it and realize it’s not the Clintons.
I hadn't seen the picture in ages and honestly didn't pay attention to it at the time because I don't really care. I thought we were past worrying about stuff like that, but apparently not.
I mean...i know you want to be past it. But let’s be honest, you were never really concerned about any of this were you?
You genuinely think people dressing in black face is a serious issue in 2019? Out of all the realities minorities face for various reasons, black face is up there?
You show me some asshole dressed as a gang banger on Halloween shouting out slurs, and I’ll agree he’s a dickhead. Some 20 something dressing up as crazy eyes from OITNB isn’t a problem deserving widespread outrage or condemnation.
There was an article out of Phoenix a few weeks ago because someone was offended by a photo of early 20th century coal miners covered in coal dust. We’ve jumped the tracks here.
#1683 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 379 weeks ago
Didn't Hillary have a blackface picture?
No.
https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fac … blackface/
I saw some people sharing it on Facebook during 2016, and immediately called bullshit on it. Anyone can look at it and realize it’s not the Clintons.
#1684 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 379 weeks ago
It’s a shame watching the Democrats turn on their own in Virginia. The guy claims he wore blackface to do a Michael Jackson dance in the early 80s. So? He wasn’t doing it to be racist, he had no ill will towards blacks, and wasn’t doing it to offend.
Yes, minstrels shows are in poor taste. But someone applying makeup to be a character isn’t inherently offensive. We should be fighting back against this nonsense. It wasn’t offensive when Dave Chappelle whitened his skin to play various white characters. It wasn’t offensive when Robert Downey Jr darkened his skin for Tropic Thunder. If you want to support this ultra PC nonsense, but don’t think Chappelle or Downey are racists, wtf?
He claims it isn’t him in the KKK photograph, and no one has credibly claimed he is present. He has no control over the layout of the yearbook, so unless he approved that image, I don’t see what else there is to discuss.
Now the Lt Governor is being accused of sexual assault from the same outlet. And the Washington Post conformed they were notified of the accusation previously. If this doesn’t put the absurdity of Kavanaugh’s circus, and how dangerous weaponizing sexual assault allegations are, I don’t know what to tell you. This man deserves the presumption of innocence and scrutiny into his accuser as Kavanaugh deserved.
This hysteria to pretend that every feigned offense is on parity with the holocaust or segregation needs to end. The Democrats are going to eat themselves attempting to adhere to this millienial, micro aggression bullshit. And the people they’re attempting to cater to are never going to be happy. Vulcans could land tonight and provide housing and food replicators to every person on the planet with every technological convenience, and the AOC’s of the world would still preach revolution and talk of suffering.
Outrage culture is our biggest threat to true progress.
#1685 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 380 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:To help the DACA kids, we must seal the border. To issue tax id’s to illegals here, the border must be sealed as good as possible. Once the border is sealed we can issue tax id numbers and get these folks out of the shadows and paying taxes. No amnesty. But if you don’t seal the border you never know what the hell you have and nobody has an incentive to follow the rules.
Right, if we don't stop more from coming in and remove those who arrived recently, we're solving the issue. Democrats promised us that amnesty passed under Regan would end illegal immigration once and for all. Over 30 years later, we're worse than we ever were. That's why Trump will ultimately prevail if he declares a national emergency, there's no way to argue that there isn't a crisis (more migrants are dying making the trek than Americans killed by Ar-15s each year - so put that in your pipe and smoke it if you want to play semantics on what a crisis is), and congress won't work to find a solution.
It’s not a crisis. Where was all this pressure on the Congress when Obama was President trying to resolve the immigration issue? 4 years ago it was obstruction - now it’s an emergency worth using executive authority on.
This is an overreach by an unpopular president trying to shore up his base.
Trump's approval rating is almost identical to Obama's at the same point in time. Was DACA "an overreach by an unpopular president trying to shore up his base." Trump is more popular than Pelosi today. Is her opposition "an overreach by an unpopular Speaker trying to shore up her base."
I don't disagree that this is in part political grandstanding on both sides. But Trump was elected primarily on immigration, he and congress failed to act (in part because of Senate filibusters - but they could have gone nuclear), and more and more migrants are exploiting the loophole of children (we have 30 year old migrants pretending to be teenagers, and 19 year olds enrolled as High School freshmen who don't speak english) to get entry.
I personally think Trump should build tent cities on the thousands of acres of unused military land along the border at Fort Bliss and Fort Huachuca and house asylum seekers there until an expedited immigration court (we have hundreds of JAG officers that could be activated to serve as judges) to quickly remove the 85% of illegals that have no asylum claim. And we can expedite the other 15% who the majority of will never have their claims validated. Domestic abuse and gang violence should never have counted, they weren't authorized by Congress, and Obama lacked the authority to add them.
#1686 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 380 weeks ago
To help the DACA kids, we must seal the border. To issue tax id’s to illegals here, the border must be sealed as good as possible. Once the border is sealed we can issue tax id numbers and get these folks out of the shadows and paying taxes. No amnesty. But if you don’t seal the border you never know what the hell you have and nobody has an incentive to follow the rules.
Right, if we don't stop more from coming in and remove those who arrived recently, we're solving the issue. Democrats promised us that amnesty passed under Regan would end illegal immigration once and for all. Over 30 years later, we're worse than we ever were. That's why Trump will ultimately prevail if he declares a national emergency, there's no way to argue that there isn't a crisis (more migrants are dying making the trek than Americans killed by Ar-15s each year - so put that in your pipe and smoke it if you want to play semantics on what a crisis is), and congress won't work to find a solution.
#1687 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 380 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:The largest fentanayl shipment ever was caught.
Wasn't that through a legal point of entry though? Asking for a friend, I have no dog in this fight.
Most definitely. That doesn't mean it isn't also coming from different methods or we shouldn't increase technology and scans over the port of entry. I'm not interested in a wall that spans coast to coast. I'm interested in smart technology that identifies illegals, and a system that expeditiously removes them. Any figure like the 400k most say illegally entered last year is based only on what we know. We found 100 corpses in just one small area of the border where people died trying to cross.
The left wants to make this a humanitarian issue, and doesn't want to acknowledge that we have a significant cultural, economic and security issue on our hand. People that can't speak english, aren't skilled, and don't value American culture and beliefs shouldn't be able to illegally enter and stay indefinitely. We should have total control over who enters this nation.
#1688 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 380 weeks ago
He's supported DACA being legislated through congress. I don't know what else you want. No one is ok with children dying, but their parents are bringing them thousands of miles and crossing the desert illegally without food or water. Rather than encouraging/rewarding that behavior by allowing these people to stay in the US once they cross, we should deport them and their children. You just highlighted the problem of tens of thousands of illegals crossing each month, and the executive lacking the legislative support to provide for them.
If you took your daughter on a 1500 mile hike in the desert without water, you'd be arrested and your child taken away from you.
#1689 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 380 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:mitchejw wrote:All signs are pointing toward Trump using executive power to build the wall making the government shutdown a complete and utter waste.
I guess that's what you do now...when you don't get what you want you throw a tantrum and shutdown the government hurtling countless lives and expenses.
Make you kinda wonder that all that uproar about executive order and power under Obama was really disingenuous.
No, him waiting and Democrats refusing to acknowledge the issue will help him in court. Homeland and ICE, the experts, all state there is a problem. Pelosi has said enforcing the current laws are immoral.
Trump has the constitution on his side, because it gives him the sole power to protect the border.
Democrats refusing to draft legislation or even acknowledge the experts opinion, including Obama’s head of ICE, will help show in court that Trump’s action wasn’t arbitrary.
Tens of thousands of migrants exploiting the immigration loophole every month by using children is a problem. The largest fentanayl shipment ever was caught.
Immigration is a popular issue for Trump. Democrats are derelict in their duties, and Trump has given them ample time to draft legislation.
The fundamental difference you fail to grasp, because you’re not at all academic or informed on the issue, is that the constitution didn’t grant the president the authority to change the laws. Obama did that, and that’s why DAPA was struck down, and why DACA will be too.
On the other hand, Trump’s “Muslim ban” was upheld because the president is the sole authority on national defense.
This will help get Trump re-elected in 2020. Just as democrats suddenly advocating for partial birth abortion and abolishing private healthcare will help.
The left has become completely unhinged.
Hilarious...if what you say is true then why bother with the government shutdown? Why not just do this in the first place?
OR...if they really wanted to solve this 'crisis' then why doesn't the government go after people that hire illegal immigrants?
Hmmm...that's a tough one huh?
Any alleged crisis that's occurring down there is one that Trump created and contrived.
Because as I stated weeks ago, Trump's ability to manage immigration is hamstrung without changes to the law. He can't alter the law, just enforce existing law. I don't want him to declare an emergency, and I certainly don't want him to attempt to create new legal statuses like Obama did.
Republicans have tried to get E-Verify passed for decades. Your party opposes that. They are going after people who hire illegals, but when illegals are using stolen identities, you can't fault the employer. I want businesses that exploit migrants to be punished more than you do, but they have to follow the law too.
You're free to believe having 22 million people illegally in this country isn't an issue, and that our current laws allow anyone with a child to enter our country essentially unimpeded (and all the child abuses that is associated with it), but you'd be a minority.
That's the key distinction between you and I. I base my opinion on the information I can find, you just have an opinion and don't bother to validate it through factual observation.
#1690 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 380 weeks ago
All signs are pointing toward Trump using executive power to build the wall making the government shutdown a complete and utter waste.
I guess that's what you do now...when you don't get what you want you throw a tantrum and shutdown the government hurtling countless lives and expenses.
Make you kinda wonder that all that uproar about executive order and power under Obama was really disingenuous.
No, him waiting and Democrats refusing to acknowledge the issue will help him in court. Homeland and ICE, the experts, all state there is a problem. Pelosi has said enforcing the current laws are immoral.
Trump has the constitution on his side, because it gives him the sole power to protect the border.
Democrats refusing to draft legislation or even acknowledge the experts opinion, including Obama’s head of ICE, will help show in court that Trump’s action wasn’t arbitrary.
Tens of thousands of migrants exploiting the immigration loophole every month by using children is a problem. The largest fentanayl shipment ever was caught.
Immigration is a popular issue for Trump. Democrats are derelict in their duties, and Trump has given them ample time to draft legislation.
The fundamental difference you fail to grasp, because you’re not at all academic or informed on the issue, is that the constitution didn’t grant the president the authority to change the laws. Obama did that, and that’s why DAPA was struck down, and why DACA will be too.
On the other hand, Trump’s “Muslim ban” was upheld because the president is the sole authority on national defense.
This will help get Trump re-elected in 2020. Just as democrats suddenly advocating for partial birth abortion and abolishing private healthcare will help.
The left has become completely unhinged.
