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#161 Re: Guns N' Roses » Pretty cool video interview with Fortus » 632 weeks ago

otto wrote:

They've played 5 new songs in RIR 2001: Oh My God, Street of Dreams, Madagascar, Silkworms and CHinese Democracy.

I still think, by 2001/2, the big guns were There Was A Time, This I Love, Prostitute and Sorry - of the songs we know of. Perhaps one of the unheard ones too?

I don't think so. Axl didn't even wanna release TIL, according to himself. Also, Sorry was supposed to be written later than Axl spoke. So it leaves TWAT, If The World and Prostitute as the "big guns". Or Shacklers? hmm

I agree with sic that my personal likings do not necessarly interfere with Axl's, but hey, how I could think of something as the awaited "big gun", when I think it sucks? I know that "de gustibus non est disputandum", but the likely list of "big guns" is just too far from my likings, when, as a fan of Axl' works, I'd except otherwise. You know, if it'd be CD, SoD, Madagascar, TIL, Sorry, Better or TWAT, I wouldn't mind - these aren't my favourite songs of all time, but I like them more or less. It's not the case with ITW and Prostitute (and Shackler's and Rhiad).

#162 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Top 10 Rock Frontmen » 632 weeks ago

Gibbo wrote:

This is from the ultimate-guitar site they arn't big axl fans there.

Then they should have made a list of frontmen who doesn't bother the guitarists to avoid mentioning Axl. tongue

#163 Re: Guns N' Roses » Feigning Relevance - Axl on a Never-Ending Tour » 632 weeks ago

apex-twin wrote:

You're being a bit lopsided, I think.

Axl's always had two separate camps going for him, one for Mick Wall and other detractors, another for... Well, the extreme form is Axl-ites. What I'm saying is the other camp has more recently been picking up, as they're finding ways to champion him. This was more difficult pre-CD.

Slash gives Guns certain cultural relevance today, Axl supplies for that demand by doing Vegas residences, et al. People see Axl as someone from the past, but he's someone who has the ability to hold your attention.

I don't think so.

People used to love or love to hate Axl. It has changed. They don't even bother to hate him. Yes, there is still an Axlist tribe, but it's thinning with every day.

Years ago, many people I know (non-fans) asked me "when's the new album coming out?". They don't even care to make fun of me (or Axl) anymore. He's a broken record. Nobody sees him as some people here, that he'd be a "rebel", "anti-industry", a "personality" or an "enigma". People see him as a washed-up has-been, who hasn't done anything for 20 years. People feel nothing, but sorry for him, if anything.

On the other hand, a lot of people would go to see "Guns N' Roses" play SCOM, NR and Paradise City. Nostalgia is a drug.

#164 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Top 10 Rock Frontmen » 632 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Cobain was scared of the crowd. A shy person does not make a good front man.   Weiland in his prime was awesome. Axl, Jagger, Bon Scott, Plant, Tyler, Morrison.

+ Elvis, Freddie, Ozzy

#165 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Top 10 Rock Frontmen » 632 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Cobain was scared of the crowd. A shy person does not make a good front man.   Weiland in his prime was awesome. Axl, Jagger, Bon Scott, Plant, Tyler, Morrison.

+Freddie, Ozzy

#166 Re: Guns N' Roses » Feigning Relevance - Axl on a Never-Ending Tour » 632 weeks ago

apex-twin wrote:

Musically, his relevance is anywhere in between questionable and non-existent.

Culturally, he still carries (or, rather, has re-acquired) certain clout. People remember him, and talk about him, because of Slash.

Last time I heard any non-fan talking about him was the benefit show fiasco. Prior that the RIR disaster. roll 

They do remember him, but the contrast is just too big between his former self, who ruled the world, and the strange 50-year old man, who spoils his performances.

#167 Re: Guns N' Roses » Pretty cool video interview with Fortus » 632 weeks ago

apex-twin wrote:
Mikkamakka wrote:

Then which were the supposed "big guns", planned for the album in 2002, but not played live? roll  There was a general consensus that Better was one of them/was the big hidden gun.

TWAT, If the World?

There are a lot of new songs that were just done in the last year that we feel that 'okay, well that bumps a lot of stuff off the previous list'. [...] I think that we'll go on to write some very interesting things with Richard and he's already done some rhythm work and some leads on the album, [...] but it's time to stop [adding new songs] now and wrap up the baby.." (Axl, GNROnline, 08/15/02)

"The first record, everything was written. I went in and rerecorded parts, but it was all written before I got in. It’s funny because that was a big part of why I was brought in. It was because of the writing. I think Axl, he wants a band that can write with him." (Richard Fortus, Ultimate Guitar, 11/26/08)

Yeah, TWAT was one. I'm not so sure about If The World (or Prostitute). I personally don't find those any good. roll

I don't think that Axl saved his big guns for the "second album", but still don't know what they thought of.

#168 Re: Guns N' Roses » Pretty cool video interview with Fortus » 632 weeks ago

apex-twin wrote:

Of all the songs on CD, Better may be the most 'recent', aside maybe Scraped. 2003-ish, it would appear.

Then which were the supposed "big guns", planned for the album in 2002, but not played live? roll  There was a general consensus that Better was one of them/was the big hidden gun.

#169 Re: Guns N' Roses » Feigning Relevance - Axl on a Never-Ending Tour » 632 weeks ago

metallex78 wrote:

Great read, but I disagree strongly that "He's the same ol' Axl, but to a new generation of fans, he's like a breath of fresh air"

More like a breath of stale, old, recycled air these days... 14

This.

Despite what remaining fans wish/want/think/dream, Axl has no relevance today. Even the GN'R sites lost at least half of their members in the past few years. Outside this little bubble, he's seen as a joke or a has-been. But people don't care enough to even think of him.

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