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#1741 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Plan 'Secret Shows' In South America » 843 weeks ago
Didn't get half of it myself.
Yeah the language barrier in all the translations of this incident I have read have made it all pretty incomprehensible.
#1742 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Plan 'Secret Shows' In South America » 843 weeks ago
^ Yeah they become conspicuously quiet at times. Unfortunately this may be one of those "fire marshall" type times where we never really get to the bottom of it.
We will get a "GNR version" of events at some point. Some people will take it as gospel, some won't. Their version may be 100% accurate, but due to past experiences some people may feel it's just "spin".
Either way I can feel another Axl rant being tweeted soon though 
#1743 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash: 'Rose Is Misunderstood' » 843 weeks ago
Unfortunately Axl's bad public perception and it's persistance to this very day is largely his own doing. Is it an accurate perception - probably not entirely. But peoples perceptions are their realities so the only way to change that (if you wish to) is to try and show them something different going forward. Simply arguing the facts (what Slash might have said or done, he's a cancer, a liar) won't change most peoples opinions - even if Axl is telling the truth. It's too late, the damage is done, that horse has bolted long ago.
You can only work on moving forward and demonstrating through your actions that peoples inital perception was incorrect, irrespective of what Slash has or hasn't said. Unnfortuantely Axl hasn't had much success changing the publics perception of him and that has largely been due to his actions and behaviours since.
The ironic thing is that even though Slash pretty much says only nice or polite things about Axl these days when asked in interviews, I imagine this would still really piss off Axl, because again Slash is made to look like the gracious one out of this whole petty affair and Axl the angry, vindictive, spiteful child.
It's a bit like looking at the bands breakup as the 7 stages of grieving, Slash is at the final stage "Acceptance and Hope". Axl is stuck at the "Anger" stage.
'¢Shock or Disbelief
'¢Denial
'¢Bargaining
'¢Guilt
'¢Anger
'¢Depression
'¢Acceptance and Hope
#1744 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Plan 'Secret Shows' In South America » 843 weeks ago
Seems there was a lot of controversy and conflicting reports about their supposed secret gig last night. Most of the news reports are in a different language so automatic translators are problematic. Apparently all their gear was set up in the club, a sound check was done in the arvo. All the guests turned up and by 2:30am they were told Axl had a sore throat and went to hospital and wasn't coming. There are conflicting reports whether the rest of the band was already there or not - my guess not since there are no photos of them, yet plenty of the celebs there.
From there rumours and shit start flying and it's difficult to tell what's true and what's fiction. One statement by the clubs owner on his twitter was that Axl was doing cocaine and that' why he couldn't make it and went to hospital, he said he was told this by Axl's bodyguard. He later went on to clarify that he was told this by "a foreigner" who he presumed was a security guy by his attitude. Other reports of fights in the club when it was announced he wasn't coming etc etc. There's also rumours about a cancelled date coming up (Chile) and the rescheduling of another (Argentina).
The most plausible thing is guns decided not to do the gig after they leaked the location of the "secret" show. Either they were pissed off or feared problems/riots with people turning up and not able to get in. The sore throat thing sounds plausible since the setlist for the last concert was shortened.
Here is a google translation of one of the reports:
http://www.rollingstone.com.br/secoes/n … ancadaria/
Show surprise Guns N 'Roses is canceled and ends in brawl
By Paulo TerronAxl Rose did not appear in nightclub Disco in Sao Paulo, on the evening of Thursday,
It ended in confusion, the secret show that the Guns N 'Roses would do in the club Disco in Sao Paulo, on the evening of Thursday, 11. The group came to build the structure of the stage - the acoustic setting, with estimates of 17 songs to the repertoire - and do a soundcheck in the afternoon, but decided not to at the last minute. What should be just a disappointment ended in brawls.
Despite having been known as a "secret" show, the location and date of the event had been publicized in advance by the newspaper Folha de S. Paul. Many of the guests did not have struggled to hide the information, publishing them in various social networks like Facebook and Twitter. At the club, journalists from newspapers, magazines, websites and TV circulated by the environment, invited by the owners (informally, not professionally, according to the press) and the band.
Around 2:20, the U.S. team the band began to dismantle the equipment and boxed it - peacefully, without tumult. Unsatisfied, the owners of local professionals and confronted one of the tools just damaged in the melee, which included verbal abuse and many beatings. According to Twitter the presenter Marcos Mion, a principal at the Disco, Mark was the manager Maria, another member of the house, who started the physical conflict. "You are out and about! @ C marcosm pissed the Securities q Axl started to take the tools he lets people qa and punched them!" Wrote in microblog Mion, during the run. When leaving the house, he stopped to talk to the press.
On Twitter, both as Maria Mion said the lead singer had abused the drug and therefore would not have appeared, but the band's representatives have denied that the use of drugs is unrelated to the incident.
Outside the fight that involved the owner of the Disco and the team of the band, the confusions disrupted the night there. A struggle began in one of the toilets, followed by a conflict between two denizens - who even shot glasses and even a bottle of champagne on each other.
According to Mark Campos, a partner in Disco and organizer of the festival on Thursday, the house had an estimated loss of $ 60 mil. "I called [agent] to 1 of Axl and said, I do not need you. You are decadent, I m not." During the interview, people who were in the manager insisted that the show had been canceled because the singer had been hospitalized due to an overdose, the very fact that Campos denied. "They're making this up just to burn the guy, do not know anything."
Outside, a program team Pânico na TV taping a report with the comedians and Eduardo Sterblitch Carioca (the Freddie Mercury Silver) when he was approached by a frequenter of the house, changed, exchanged punches with cameras and illuminators. The boy ran away and was not identified. The advice of the TV network said it would not comment, but the program director, Alan Rapp, wrote about what happened on Twitter. "The Carioca called me at dawn, around 4 of matina, telling the club plummet from Mion. Our team also picked up!"
Among the guests who were waiting for the show of Guns N 'Roses at the Disco were Pitty, Daniela Cicarelli, Junior, members of the NX Zero, Sepultura and Home Capital, among others.
Through the office of his business, Guns N 'Roses denied rumors that the rest of the Brazilian tour - which also has shows scheduled for Sao Paulo (March 13th), Rio (14) and Porto Alegre (16) -- have been canceled.
#1745 Re: Guns N' Roses » Some GNR FB pics » 843 weeks ago
And I'd get my picture taken with Vanessa. She's hot! I'd push Del out of the way to get to her.
lol - I'm with you Faldor I would get my pic taken with her for purely non GNR related reasons. 
#1746 Re: The Garden » Post Your Pic Thread - Let's see what you look like! » 844 weeks ago
Couple of pics from the ACDC concert on Saturday night. It was at a sports stadium and both Sat night and the concert tonight are sold out. 45,000 people each night!!!
I had a great time and a HUGE night since I had been off the piss for the previous 5 weeks and broke the drought for the concert - in a big way 



I was in the very front general admin section - this was looking behind me, there was LOTS of people!!
#1747 Re: Guns N' Roses » Taipei, Taiwan - December 11, 2009 (Taipei County Stadium) » 856 weeks ago
Pretty cool setlist - I hope there are some quality boots of it.
I' keen to hear the new CD stuff.
#1748 Re: Guns N' Roses » And the controversy starts! » 856 weeks ago
^ My thoughts are if it's fake - it's not a situation of Axl hiring paparazzi to stage something, but rather the whole thing is a total fabrication. No police or airport security made aware of it, no footage or other eye witness accounts.
I think that's what people mean when they call fake.
#1749 Re: Guns N' Roses » And the controversy starts! » 856 weeks ago
I'm curious if this was a legitimate incident why would you promote the event yourself by posting it on the official GNR myspace and facebook???
This screams "staged" to me!
As someone on HTGTH pointed out, the story was broken by Livedaily which is owned by Tickemaster. Now who would be the CEO of Ticketmaster - oh that's right Irving Azoff.....
#1750 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN'R Twitter Updates » 856 weeks ago
I gotta say I have always hated twitter - I think it's a really lame concept. That said I will be interested to see if anything interesting is ever posted, although I'm not holding my breath.
