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#17561 Re: Guns N' Roses » Information on Shackler's Revenge » 946 weeks ago

Captain Winkler wrote:
Axlin08 wrote:

He didn't say that, but he has been critical of the 2002 VMA appearence, and those close have alluded to the fact that he thought Oh My God was this stellar track, even in demo form, and of course it was met with large negative reviews. Silkworms at Rio III was also met with harsh criticism.

the majority of your post was theory craft, based on unsubstantiated "i remember when" claims, but i am posting because i am adamant that silkworms was written by dizzy reed and chris pitman, Axl says that prior to the performance of the song at rock in rio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzfwjPHUdLk
there is the link to him saying who it was written by before the silkworms performance, so don't pin that dreadful song on axl. there was also a negative stigma surrounding axl(and still is) after the initial breakup of the band, which could be attributed to the largely negative reviews of Oh my god. the song itself although sloppy and under produced is actually pretty badass, imo.

Unsubstantiated?

Dude, come the fuck on.


You expect me to dig through every single interview by production people, business people, and band members over the years from official interviews to fan chats, to substantiate those claims?

If you don't believe me you don't believe me, but anyone who's been around awhile in this whole CD clusterfuck will back up those kind of statements and references.

I have no clue why you even posted the Silkworms performance. I love the song, but most hate it. I love OMG. But most hate it.

If Axl had faith in that material, it would've come out when the album was still called "2000 Intentions", and Axl would've had the attitude, this rules, and if you don't like it fuck off.

SR proves there's more tracks out there like OMG & SW, and I think SR kicks ass. But they unearthed more Illusion-esque stuff like The Blues, I.R.S. & T.W.A.T. to appease all tastes, which is fine, but certaintly not worth delaying the album for 7-8 years.

Captain Winkler wrote:

if he wrote it, why would he point out that the song was written by dizzy and pitman? does he do this with all the songs he writes? "this song is called 'better' and was put together by robin and tommy, this song is called november rain and was put together by duff and steven, this song is called sweet child o mine and was put together by izzy and duff" if he wrote it why would he do that, did/does he think the song was poor and was covering his bases? if he wrote it it would not make sense to say that he didn't.

He's most likely trying to be fair and give credit to Dizzy & Chris.

But ultimately W. Axl Rose steers the ship of GN'R and HE'S THE SOLE creative director of the band. This is his direction and his wanted "sound", even if Dizzy & Chris are responsible for it's production. Or Robin & Tommy for others. Or Bucket & Brain for others, etc.

#17562 Re: Guns N' Roses » update on MSL's site » 946 weeks ago

Well the good news from all of that, if true, is that they would not be going through the time and effort for all of that if the album's release wasn't imminent.

I personally don't care how much they silence the big message boards. They all suck at this point anyways, and other than this place, i'm kind of old fashioned in the sense of just being another Guns fan anxious to have the album(s) in my hands, and enjoy the living hell out of it.

#17563 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses on Universal Music Group Release List » 946 weeks ago

I somehow doubt that. There might have been some dirty tricks in the contracts, but signing away the rights to the back catalog would take major balls, that even Axl doesn't have, especially considering the fact that at this stage in the game if Axl was even working on stand-by power in his brain, which Axl Rose strikes me as a guy that OVER-analyzes what he's gonna eat for dinner let alone business, that he'd KNOW that they were gonna go over those contracts with a magnifying glass.

Unless the trick was intentionally put in there to try to intentionally sabotage the reunion, because he didn't really want it, which definitely sounds like a Rose-ism.

And as for the Press Release, considering the fact Slash could've just came out and said all of this, and instead LIED initially about being at Axl's house, then came back later and fessed up to being there, but not drunk... i'll take Axl's word on that one.

I guess it's all how you look at it. It's very complicated, but Slash & Duff would not be apart of a reunion supporting CD. They'd be apart of a reunion tour, and it would be marketed as such. Universal would simply release CD as "GUNS N ROSES new album!", but not coincide it with the reunion. It wouldn't be the Chinese Democracy World Tour, it'd be something else like Get In The Ring Again World Tour, or some shit like that. Which would make them a TON of money. Yes, they'd be helping Axl, but they'd also be helping themselves. Rock stars never have enough money. History has proven this. It just depends on what their 'price' is.

In a very strange, and sad in a way, I think the only way a reunion would last is if Axl was over a barrel, like now. Where it was basically told to him "we are not interested in your Guns N' Roses" and it was deemed unmarketable and nobody gave Axl the time of day. He'd cave.

Musically I could not seem them breaking new ground. I think they could record future albums together, as long as it followed an AC/DC-like mold of rehashing the sound of AFD & the Illusions, but beyond that - no. They are yes, many worlds apart.

I still think the ultimate direction, because of past rumors, have leaned to a reunion, and with Azoff on board it could go either way. He could be there for CD. He could be there for a reunion. He could be there for both. But a guy like Azoff would not be wasting his time with this band if there wasn't a future.

As for bandmates stuff, I disagree. I think they'd get back on stage together quicker, strictly business, strictly for the payout, before they'd EVER do it because "they're cool with each other again". WAY too much water under the bridge.

#17564 Re: Guns N' Roses » update on MSL's site » 946 weeks ago

See that's where it crosses a line. I read that IGN article, and yes it was obviously Slash-biased, but still - it's someone's opinion. Even if it stinks.


But censoring anything that's slightly negative seems like the typical m.o. of Jarmofuror.

#17565 Re: The Garden » Obama takes lead in polls » 946 weeks ago

I heard that too awhile back. I also heard these videos have been pre-recorded for awhile.

And that's where the problem lies in the future. Al Queda is a worldwide crime syndicate now, that's well organized. This will be an endless battle, that will have no war field, except the streets of Europe, mountains of Asia, and the coast of North America.

This will eventually become the job of the F.B.I. & C.I.A.

#17566 Re: The Garden » Who Killed the Beauty Queen? » 946 weeks ago

Slimeballs come in all sexes, but yeah I do think there is a stereotype that assumes men cheat, and women are pure.

Typically though, anyone that has a knack for observing and psychoanalyzing the situation, usually can tell.

I know a dude right now that's married to my cousin, and as a guy I have no doubt he's cheated. I can see it in his eyes. Their vanity is 10 miles long too - BAM - right there is a good explanation. They're both selfish as hell. He thinks the world revolves around him, and she is willing to put up with that kind of person, because "he's hot".

Granted this chick didn't deserve to be murdered, but sometimes you do wonder when karma catches up to you. Even if she didn't cheat, she was probably very self-centered and just an ugly person inside.

Hopefully this boy can learn how to recognize the signs in the future, and find someone worth it... that won't meet the same demise.

#17567 Re: Guns N' Roses » update on MSL's site » 946 weeks ago

Tommie wrote:

Heres something weird with his site...I just recently downloaded an add on called flagfox for firefox.  What it does is, when you view a page it displays a flag in the address bar telling you where that pages server is located.  If you click on the flag it pulls up a google earth style map with the address of the server pinpointed.  Ours is located in the UK, most others I visit are somewhere in the U.S.  Now I just went to MSL's site and his server is in China.  Specifically Hong Kong. 10

Chinese Democracy STARTS NOW!!!! lol

That is rather weird.

#17568 Re: The Garden » Who Killed the Beauty Queen? » 946 weeks ago

Not only did the guy live as an accused murderer, tried and found guilty in the court of public opinion, but he also had to live with the fact his dead girlfriend, whom he probably loved, was a lying slut who had an entirely different life.


Fucked up world we live in. It's amazing how many people we know and see on a day to day basis, that lives as someone else, that we'll never know until Crockett & Tubbs are on the case.


jesus...

#17569 Re: The Garden » Bush Asks Congress for $700 Billion Bailout » 946 weeks ago

You guys are over-reacting. The U.S. is not turning into a facist state, because we're going to tell some bankers to do their fucking job right, and not break it off in the country over greed.


This is the death of Reaganomics. Which just doesn't work anymore in 2008.

We'll find another way, even if it is a more Democratic liberal idea of how the financial system in this country should be run. Don't overexaggerate.

#17570 Re: The Garden » Obama takes lead in polls » 946 weeks ago

They thought Osama would magically get caught too in October 2004, so Bush could get re-elected and carry on the "war machine".

Funny, Osama didn't reappear, and Bush still got re-elected.

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