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#1831 Re: The Garden » So long..... » 949 weeks ago
God speed back home.
And thank you.
#1832 Re: The Garden » McCain picks Sarah Palin for Vice President » 949 weeks ago
Considering many in the GOP probably still harbor the belief women shouldn't vote, he might turn off as many conservative Republicans as he gains popular votes.
That's definently true as well. It's a gamble for him, and i think he's putting too much faith in his own party.
I don't know much about this lady, what is her track record?
#1833 Re: The Garden » McCain picks Sarah Palin for Vice President » 949 weeks ago
To be fully honest, i think it's more of a ploy to gain votes. The VP doesn't do a hell of a lot anyway.
#1834 Re: The Sunset Strip » M.I.A. School in Liberia » 949 weeks ago
It really makes me want to buy any of her future albums as well. I like knowing that my money is going to helping someone, not just making someone rich so they can sit on their asses for the rest of their lives.
#1835 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash's Reaction to GN'R leaker!!!! » 949 weeks ago
If you're talking about Kid Rocks line of thinking, yeah I see.
Would I be stealing from Exxon if I discovered oil in my backyard and start using it? After all, they 'lose' the money I usually spend on gas.
Would I be stealing from Ford if I went and bought all the necessary parts and built my own car? After all, they 'lose' money by me not going through their channels.
Downloading is not stealing, it's recreating. Sure it's a hell of a lot easier than building your own car or finding oil, but it's still the same principle. You don't deprive anyone of their property. You may indirectly contribute to them making less money, but that's simply not the same thing. People can't be held accountable for the actions of others, that goes without saying in almost everything except when it comes to the entertainment industry.
Companies are out to make money, and to do that they have to calculate all expenses and make that work with the expected return. If the effects of downloading makes you loose money on a project that's your problem. Lower the costs, up the quality, do some creative marketing etc..It's not the customers fault technology suddenly made him able to get all this stuff for practically free. That's simply a biproduct of society, and it's not something that can be fixed by criminalizing 90% of the population.
It's not a god given right to be profitable, and certainly not to maintain profit. The music business used to be a major cash cow, and it still is, but it's like with the shoemaker. Where's he today? Who can he sue, progress?
Fact is the future is looking good for the musicians. Practically anyone can make an album these days and distribute it. If your music is good the word will spread and you can go on tour, license to commercials and tv shows, selling t-shirts etc. It may not be Abba or Stones money, but if you're good enough it's certainly a living above average.
The only ones losing out are the record companies and the shitty artist. Who really gives a fuck about them?
Not quite the same.
Now buying your own equipment, starting your own band, and recording your album and becoming as popular as GNR may be stealing sales from them.
Downloading is a whole different story as you did not create it.
#1836 Re: Guns N' Roses » **Kevin Cogill Who Leaked 9 GnR Songs Arrested Today** » 949 weeks ago
You bring up great points James.
That will complicate the whole trail a lot, if there is one. Bbf and Dizzy both have made comments that could compromise the whole case.
#1837 Re: Guns N' Roses » **Kevin Cogill Who Leaked 9 GnR Songs Arrested Today** » 949 weeks ago
Alright, I misunderstood you. But it's not anything like the Metallica case. Metallica wanted to prevent people from downloading music that they had already released. This is unreleased material that may not even be in its final stages, provided by a former employee of the record company. I agree they're making an example of the guy to prevent future leaks. That's different than making sure people can't download "Welcome to the Jungle".
It certainly isn't the same as the Metallica case, but they are similar. Another reason they aren't the same is because i don't think it was GNR gunning to get this guy arrested.
To be honest, i think the circumstances make this case a little more serious than Metallica's. Like you said, Universal is trying to protect their current investment, one that hasn't even had chance to make money yet.
The loophole, like James said, is it going to be released? If it's not planned to be released, the case is out.
#1838 Re: Guns N' Roses » **Kevin Cogill Who Leaked 9 GnR Songs Arrested Today** » 949 weeks ago
Saikin wrote:madagas wrote:It's even bigger than that Saiken. When te Riaa goes after somebody, they are doing it in the interests of labels and artists. This isn't a game made up by some sick Gnr fans or Dle James or Fernando or whoever. This is an industry wide ordeal like Metallica vs Napster....the downloading game is coming under serious fire.
Oh i agree with that, i was just giving a smaller aspect of the issue, the one directly related to Chinese Democracy.
I agree with your post. This is much bigger than just a guy leaking some demos from CD. This is yet another pathetic attempt to try and stop downloading. It didn't work with Metallica, and it won't work now. All it did before was hurt Metallica's rep, and it will do the same for GNR if this is really pursued more.
This is far less about downloading than it is about hosting unauthorized copyrighted material on a website. Axl jokingly called us "downloading motherfuckers". It's a little different when someone who used to work at Universal takes nine tracks and posts them on his website.
But what does hosting unathorized copyrighted material pose for the record labels? Fans downloading it and lack of sales. So yes, this is about downloading. They are making an example of this guy so that others feel discouraged when leaking stuff in the future.
#1839 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl hitting on Kelly Osbourne--i want to f**k You! » 949 weeks ago
Who would want to fuck Kelly Osborne? Besides people who think they'll get to meet Ozzy...
This is hilarious.
#1840 Re: Guns N' Roses » **Kevin Cogill Who Leaked 9 GnR Songs Arrested Today** » 949 weeks ago
It's even bigger than that Saiken. When te Riaa goes after somebody, they are doing it in the interests of labels and artists. This isn't a game made up by some sick Gnr fans or Dle James or Fernando or whoever. This is an industry wide ordeal like Metallica vs Napster....the downloading game is coming under serious fire.
Oh i agree with that, i was just giving a smaller aspect of the issue, the one directly related to Chinese Democracy.
I agree with your post. This is much bigger than just a guy leaking some demos from CD. This is yet another pathetic attempt to try and stop downloading. It didn't work with Metallica, and it won't work now. All it did before was hurt Metallica's rep, and it will do the same for GNR if this is really pursued more.
