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#1851 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 533 weeks ago
And I'll also say, as I said to James earlier, even if Trump wins the General, what does that really mean for the GOP? He doesn't represent them. He represents himself, whilst running on a pseudo-conservative platform. He doesn't play by their rules, scolds them for Iraq, says he wants universal healthcare, says he'll raise taxes on the wealthy, says he's against (in theory) super PACS, he's clearly not religious, says Planned Parenthood is a good thing for women (sans abortion) and has supported many liberal ideas/politicians even within the last few years (including Pelosi and Clinton.) How is this anything the Republican party can be happy about if he takes the White House? He's not going by their playbook now, and he sure as shit won't if he became POTUS. The establishment GOP get very little out of a Trump presidency.
I'm also curious who in the hell would be his running mate. I can't see a professional politician putting himself/herself out there to run as his Veep. The risk to their career would be too high. I would think it would have to be somebody with little to lose.
#1852 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 533 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:misterID wrote:Trump will never win a general election.
Guns N Roses will never reunite.
And they haven't and won't, they just rejoined the band
This clown show is not indicative of a GE. Just wait, everything you love about Trump now, just wait until he has to appeal to women, blacks, Hispanics and bluedogs and how his schtick changes.
Trump can do this here in the GOP primary, and it will work. He's tearing down Cruz now and will soon move on to Rubio next. What he's said in this primary won't have consequences...yet.
However what he's said will be used against him 24/7 in the General to get women, blacks, Muslims, Latinos etc out to the polls for the Democrats, and it will work quite well. Even if he changes his tune, hey may tone it down, it won't matter. They have all the sound bites they can ever dream of.
Many different fractions of the GOP are mortified at Trump being their nominee and find him repugnant. This isn't some unanimous movement inside the Republican party. This is a hostile take over by a master opportunist, and calculating individual. The libertarian wing, the establishment and fiscal conservatives are mortified but helpless against him. He's won't go into the General with the full support of registered Republicans, and then he has to face the music for what he's said in a country whose demographics are shifting every year away from the GOP. Last election Romney won 59% of the white vote and still lost. The Latino vote is also muy importante, no surprise there, and in 2008 Hillary beat Obama with the Latin voting block during the primaries. Trump will do poorly with single women, minority women, blacks etc. too.
#1853 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 533 weeks ago
If all the shit Hilary has done so far hasn't scared people off, she could pretty much kill someone on national TV and gain votes.
The rest of the country doesn't reside in the far right wing bubble. While some accusations have merit, the rest is unsubstantiated (after 13 investigations for instance) and hyperbolic hysteria served up to the right wing base. It works for that core constituency, but not for everybody else. Sometimes I wish Republicans would just turn off the media for a while, then honestly ask themselves if it's possible for every Democratic leader to be so inherently evil/dishonest/dismissive of the COTUS. Or if perhaps they're being whipped into a frenzy by an unending GOP media m machine. Any message wrapped in fear, or has the sole purpose of making you angry/afraid, should make you question the messenger(s.)
#1854 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 533 weeks ago
BTW, Obama's vetting of the republican Governor for the supreme court vacancy is brilliant. I didn't see that coming.
Obama has made similar moves like this prior. He is always playing chess while the GOP is playing checkers. He'll vet a middle of the road conservative, and the Republicans will STILL protest it, wait and see.
Give 'em enough rope to hang themselves...and this group of Republicans always will.
#1855 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 533 weeks ago
http://www.270towin.com/presidential_ma … /aDQN9.png
Just got back from the future. Those are the results in the Trump-Hillary election.
Back on the crack pipe with Robert Downey Jr. I see.
#1856 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 534 weeks ago
Cruz is pure slime
Trump chewed his ass and spit it out the other night...
#1857 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 534 weeks ago
Rubio just made a huge play for Bush's base with his speak today. He's started off praising the Bush family and wishing them the best, gave a speak about rebuilding the military, and then ending the speak promising a New American Century (a not so veiled nod to the neo-conservative doctrine). I think Kasich is going to drop out too, making Rubio the only establishment candidate left, he could pick up the majority of the Bush/Kasich support... could be enough to overtake Trump in Nevada.
Rubio reminds me of Dan Quayle. He's VP material at best, and not very bright. Good rehearsed speeches, but Hillary would eat his lunch. If he couldn't fend of Christie, he sure won't be able to handle Trump's onslaught either.
I'd imagine the establishment is starting to really panic right about now. Kasich would be smart to stick around and see if he can fight Rubio for those votes. Rubio could have another roboto malfunction, or Kasich a great night and that may be enough to push him into the establishment spot.
An attorney associated with Carson brought an eligibility suit against Cruz (birther karma) this week. They have allowed it to proceed. This is great for Trump because he didn't bring the litigation, and he can now pound Cruz with it. Trump really knows how to hit people where it hurts, he's brilliant at it. And you better believe that once they get to a certain point Trump is going to ask the GOP if they would risk putting up a guy who may not be legally eligible to be POTUS.
Speaking of which, Trump will really be difficult for Hillary in a debate. Much more than Cruz ever could be. He'll blast her with everything (legit or not) in ways that the status quo couldn't or wouldn't.
I do find it bizarre that Trump can retain support after some of the things he says and positions he's had. Especially with the tea party base. But given that their chief complaint was "no more taxes" during some of the lowest tax rates in five decades, I guess logic isn't their strong point.
#1858 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 534 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:I was poor and white. These jobs aren't meant to be a career, they are meant to train you skills to do bigger and better things. If people choose not to work hard and learn as they go, that has nothing to do with being poor, or of any decent. That's a personal choice. Everyone has an opportunity to get out of poor, but not many choose to put in the effort necessary to do it.
Entry level/minimum wage isn't a life sentence unless you decide it is.
These arguments are pointless with people who think it's all a level playing field for everyone. Not everyone has the same opportunity. A kid in the ghetto or the Appalachians do not have the same opportunities as everyone else. Some people work two or three jobs, so it's not about hard work. They don't have the availability of good jobs to move up. It's stinkin thinkin.
These arguments are also pointless with people who are completely unaware that we're all quite different. Something may be obvious to us, but may never dawn on somebody else. We are all guilty of this to a degree We assume that people make choices/decisions as we might, and then we're perplexed why they "didn't just do X, rather than Y." We often apply our line of thinking to others, and are confused when they don't respond how we'd like them to.
In addition, life is hard. Period. It requires hard work, but it also requires luck. Many people don't like to admit this (especially when they're up) but it's the truth.
No two people are the same. No life story is the same. Conservatives argue from a purely black/white position, which makes it easy to call people lazy, unmotivated, "entitled" and so on. Some people can "work out of poor" while others never will be able to escape. Poverty is extremely complex, soul crushing and hopeless. It's certainly not a one size fits all solution.
Such is the way of the conservative mind. In my opinion, it's just another excuse to act like a selfish and ungrateful jerk, lacking any sense of empathy for their fellow American citizens. This is the new America, devoid of compassion and eager to beat up on the least among us. I'm so sick of hearing this shit...
#1859 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 535 weeks ago
the gov't couldn't even enroll people in Obama care and that's a small fraction of what singe payer would be.
Except for about 21 million Americans. Are you doing Enron accounting by chance?
Likewise, the government already runs socialized healthcare plans for our seniors, our Vets, and for the poor. How many old people do you see marching in the street protesting their Medicare?
The VA does have issues, but it still provides quality healthcare for plenty of Vets. My wife has had two surgeries at the VA and they were both top notch. Her primary doctor is also with the VA. The doctor will even call her and talk to her on the phone.
The GOP are such defeatists. Nothing can ever be changed, nothing ever accomplished, nothing new can be implemented. Everything is a pipe dream.
We could have never built this country with that kind of attitude! If they're not capable of moving us into the 21st century, they could at least quit obstructing the rest of us. Or better yet, get out of government altogether. I never understood anybody who despised government, but also wanted to be an active participant in it. Not surprisingly it doesn't seem to yield very good results.
#1860 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 535 weeks ago
misterID wrote:RaZor wrote:Dubbya had a lot of great ideas, he could have saved social security in his first term if the Democrats hadn't sabotaged him.
He wanted to privatized social security, and we would have lost that money in the market crash. The people who live on their ss would have lost everything. He was a fucking idiot who nearly ruined the country. Social security is okay, and it can be saved in the future with a few tweaks.
Bush neither wanted to privatize social security nor invest it in the stock market. And benefits would have stayed exactly the same for those already retired or close to being retired.
Bush wanted to take the first step towards privatization. At the end of the day it's what the conservatives want, disband SS entirely along with Medicare. Given the paltry average sum most Americans have in retirement, the outcome will be disastrous if they ever get their way.
