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#1851 Re: The Garden » Not a trip...a journey » 835 weeks ago
Boots dusty and sweat upon my brow. The vast highway lays out ahead of me. The winding trail of where I've been fades in the rear view mirror. While there are places to be and appointments to keep, there's no unwillingness to pull to the side of the road to lend a hand. The passenger door is open. Care for a ride?
Turn on the radio and enjoy the silence of your efforts.
#1852 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Joseph Bruce on Slash and Axl » 836 weeks ago
The one thing that seemingly lends credence to the whole story is this:
"I wrote a whole fucking album about Axl Rose, and he never even knew it."
That's Slash's Snakepit - It's Five O'Clock Somewhere. I seriously doubt the ICP boys would've heard it anywhere else, as Slash himself only admitted to the fact in his autobiography. Anyway, the timelines seem to match in the sense that the Great Milenko was completed in late January '97, meaning Slash would've fairly recently exited Guns during the recording. He himself has said to have been in a melancholic state of mind at that point.
If true, it would've been Slash desperately trying to cope with his breakup with Axl, looking into every other possibility of a band, collaboration, etc. The Guns safety net now gone from him, at some level he might've wanted to have kept busy in order not to lose himself to drugs and alcohol completely. So I wouldn't rule that one out altogether.
#1853 Guns N' Roses » The 'Lost' GNR Album from '96 » 836 weeks ago
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While it's well-known that GNR went on to work on a follow-up to Illusions in between '94-96, little has ever been heard of this material, even though Axl (of all people!) has occasionally teased people with descriptions such as '1996 Aerosmith Rocks' and saying he still has the rehearsal tapes after all these years, with Slash playing out the key parts of VR's Fall to Pieces. While all the material might as well remain behind lock and key 'till kingdom come, so ideas may be drawn from the evidence at hand. Here, I'll try and look into everything recorded or composed during that era, and draw some ideas as to how the lost album might've sounded. Others are invited to join.
Slash's Snakepit - It's Five O'Clock Somewhere
GNR according to Slash, from the demos recorded in late '93, finishing up in January '94. Duff was touring behind Believe in Me (which is left out as he always saw it as a solo album), while Axl was busy with lawsuits and whatever else. Which is why we got Slash banging out with Matt, Gilby and Mike Inez from Alice in Chains.
One thing is obvious from the get-go: Snakepit features some of the best riffs Slash has ever recorded. The bulk of the album rests on his shoulders, and he's more than happy to pull out a killer guitar part after another. Matt's drumming is another strong part; his fills have more imagination than on the oft heavy-handed approach he took with the UYI's. The album has only one significant problem: While Slash may maintain it's an album 100% in the true GNR spirit, I'd rather side with Duff and Axl on the matter.
There's some spectacular soloing with Slash going off to showcase himself at the top of his game, the leading blues-rock guitarist of the biggest band in the world. Still, only in about half the songs is that enough to conjure up reflections of a true GNR spirit. Mike Inez's bass thumps along well enough mostly during intros, but is left a bit unimaginative, doing only what is necessary and not much more.
Gilby's playing is even more depressing from a GNR perspective. Slash practically carries him on his shoulders for a good while, with Gilby only passingly encouraged to step outside the comfort zone and putting himself up against the leads. As daunting as the leads may be, Izzy never had a problem doing an inventive little undertone, circling around Slash's playing and contributing an additional texture to tunes.
Roughly half the album, to me, is Slash pointing out his creative peak as a lead guitarist, with the rest of the band doing little aside complimenting him and leaving more than enough room for his solos to twist, turn and entangle all over. Nothing wrong in that when talking about a band led by Slash, in which category Snakepit is excellent, but as a GNR album, it would feel a bit underwhelming.
Slash never goes out to do something extremely wild; there's no Coma, no Locomotive, nothing that really pushes those great abilities, harnesses the impeccable riffs into anything greater than the sum of their parts. Had the rest of the band worked on some of those songs, they could've easily been taken to the next level, while the simplicity Slash himself seemingly fancies could've been kept intact. I might personally go with songs like Neither Can I, Dime Store Rock, Beggars and Hangers-on, Soma City Ward and Be the Ball. There are also others, depending on the day I'm having.
Velvet Revolver - Fall to Pieces
The power ballad lacking from the Snakepit album? FTP is soft enough without getting sentimental, with Slash doing a more mature version of the haplessly sappy SCOM melody. The leads are still very much in tune with the Snakepit album, while the rhythm section obviously sound a whole lot more like Guns, for obvious reasons. Axl singing on top would've made this one fall excellently in line with the GNR versions of some of the Snakepit songs, contributing a more tender moment to all of Slash's solo frenzies.
Guns N' Roses - This I Love
Every GNR album has that defining Axl moment. On this one, TIL would've been it. Sticking out from between the aforementioned material glaringly, the song would've been redeemed more or less if Axl'd dared to keep the production in line with the rest. The lyrics would've been on par with November Rain on the tear-jerker department and here's where a top-notch Slash solo would've been in serious demand. A possible album closer, a more stripped version of the UYI epics,
Guns N' Roses - Sympathy for the Devil
The only chance to actually hear the lineup in a studio environment. The Stones' original is a bit too drowned in Axl's typically overblown production style, but the recording and mixing are certainly better than on the UYI's. You can actually hear a whole lot going on in there, and when you have so much commanding elements starting with the usual Axl/Slash duel, it's a small miracle to have a crystallized rhythm section on occasion.
Slash's phalanx
The jury should actually go out to wonder whether Gilby would've been the best possible replacement for Izzy when it comes to studio work with Slash. One thing's for sure: Slash himself had more than enough enough creative juices flowing, and he could've written all the leads a GNR would've needed. Placing Zakk Wylde or any other decidedly leading guitarist alongside would've just been overpowering and would've robbed Slash's work a lot of its impact. Not to say he shouldn't be let go too easy.
Zakk himself maintains glimpses of his tenure with GNR can be heard on Rose-Petaled Garden from the Black Label Society album Sonic Brew. Listening to the track, it's not too hard to imagine Slash and Zakk in the rehearsals, battling out with the sound ridiculously heavy. Fun? Most definitely, but certainly not GNR as it was known back then.
Judging by SFTD, Paul Huge doesn't do too much, but his style is somewhat comparable to Izzy; he's actually there, buzzing around Slash like a busy little bee, completely oblivious of the respecting manners Gilby'd adopted. The one person sure to find him irritating was Slash, because Paul's minor discords and fills tend to get in the middle of his solos in a way unheard of on the Snakepit album.
The resulting album...?
One can dream. Kick ass riffs and solos, more thought-out lyrics and some good screams. A serviceable package for sure, which would kept GNR afloat as a professional band, painstakingly sticking to the blues-based rock they knew best, despite grunge coming and going, with industrial and alternative already gaining a mainstream foothold. They would've likely been criticized at the time for rehashing and honing the UYI's into a more streamlined package, and would've, most importantly, lacked the sly humor Izzy brought on the table.
My guess is the album would've attained more appreciation over time, while much of the longevity would've depended on whether Axl would've sufficed to keep things simple. Going the UYI/SFTD route would've likely meant a lot of the solid guitars would've been irrevocably buried beyond superfluous keyboards and other knick-knacks, which would've had no place on the 1996 Aerosmith Rocks.
After that, the band would've more than likely broken up, since there would've been no immediate room to grow in the current musical environment while simultaneously struggling to maintain a presence as one of the world's biggest rock groups.
But then again.... That's just my guess. Others have theirs.
#1854 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy II? - The Truth » 836 weeks ago
If CD is 4 albums, i wonder how the story ends.....
If we're all very, very lucky, it'll end (or go on, depending on how you look at it) by having a more solid band entry for the second (or third) go-around. Am reading Joel McIver's Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, and the quote from Bill Ward actually caught my eye. What he said, in a nutshell, is that bands generally make their first album with various members bringing all their individual influences from wherever, hoping that the material is strong enough to meld together into a cohesive piece. In the best case scenario, around the second or third album, their mutual sound starts growing stronger, all the separate pieces blending into a more unique voice of different players finding harmony amongst themselves.
CD is mostly the combined forces of Axl, Tommy, Robin, Paul Huge, Dizzy, Pitman and Josh Freese. Some songs carry the additional emblem of Bucket and Brain. The other guys simply weren't there to compose the songs and learn to work with each other as a solidified unit. That's the main problem with CD; it's around the work of four albums in one. Axl just couldn't say, 'Fuck it, I'm not going to release this yet, but I won't bother working on these same songs all over again either.' Smart money would've had Brain and Bucket come in for a completely new album, write a bunch of new songs, see them through and then return to the '99 album with the previous lineup. Axl would've had a solid debut from the 2001 lineup, and if the chemistry would've been there, they could've rearranged the '99 album to meet more current standards, without sounding overtly tacked on.
Instead, what we got was Axl tinkering with the same pieces of music for a decade, with people coming and going - augmenting the umpteenth guitar track on a said song with Pro-Tools may sound seamless in a technical sense, but it sure as hell sticks out if recorded eight years later from the bulk of the piece. It just doesn't feel like a band effort, which the '99 and '01 versions might've very well been. Obviously, Axl's not hearing this, and he's always brought up the 'melting pot' aspect of the production. Fair enough, if you want to start over time and again with new people, a melting pot is what you're getting. But if you'd like the sound and music of your band to reach completely different heights, you'd keel over the melting pot already and start working on something fresh with one single lineup again.
Then again, that would mean you should regard GNR as a band again, instead of some dubious family unit, with everyone starting from your gardener and second-cousin playing 'sub bass'. By doing so, you might actually face the fact that they'd gain a certain level of control over GNR simply by the necessity of presence, as they'd be an integral part of the sound. Giving up the 'divide et impera' tactics would probably make you a bit more dependent over certain key players, just like you once depended on Slash.
"I don't want to be in a situation again where I have to depend on other people and have [to] start all over." - Axl, '99
In that case, you're Guns N' Roses by yourself, buddy.
#1855 Re: The Garden » Man eats his own shit in court » 836 weeks ago
The first thing that crossed my mind was that he must've seen Training Day.
#1856 Re: Guns N' Roses » Fernando's link to leaks? And the craziness that is gnr » 836 weeks ago
The UK reunion would've been Axl's attempt to regain a portion of the back catalogue publishing rights. When Geffen closed their tap in 2004, Sanctuary Group were stupid enough to take on CD's ongoing funding, while the company was already facing serious financial difficulties. The following year, Axl sold his share of the publishing rights to Merck & Co, as an earning method as well as to alleviate the debts he'd accumulated with SG. The reunion contract would've earned Axl the remaining 2/3 of the publishing rights, which would've then been split between him and SG.
According to Ross Halfin, Axl and Slash started talking (through intermediaries, it seems) about Welcome to the Jungle: The Very Best of Guns N' Roses in mid/late 2005. Slash visited Axl's house in October, while frustrated with VR's lack of progress with Libertad. He met Beta instead of Axl, was a tad drunk and said some things without putting much thought into it. Axl was obviously roaring with laughter after he heard that one, and took the next step, which was introducing Slash and Duff to the idea of a few reunion shows. Izzy was also likely contacted, although he was never in the whole publishing rights mess.
Slash started getting surprisignly civil towards Axl in interviews late into the year and started saying with certain authority that he knew CD would be released soon. Axl resurfaced soon after, but things went kibbosh by March 2006. The fine print was read and examined by the VR camp and they refused the offer. Axl then disclosed Slash's visit to his house and used vague enough wording to remove Slash's comments from whatever their original context was, implying (although not suggesting) that the two had actually met in person. The press release was a thin smokescreen, because it addressed a lawsuit from the preceding year - not really newsworthy on its own. It was an act of retaliation and malice, directed squarely against Slash.
#1857 Re: Guns N' Roses » Fernando's link to leaks? And the craziness that is gnr » 836 weeks ago
Whoever brought up Richards' crash-landing as a non-event? I didn't.
Yeah, Guns still toured in 2007 despite Tommy's wrist. But there were never shows announced for May. If the tour would've went on as planned, they would've done the Japanese and ZA shows in April and then basically sat on their asses for a month. There were many rumors of a South American leg in May, but the word from promoters was that it kept falling apart. Funny, when you think about it.
Tommy missed the February 07 show (or rather, a two-song appearance) due to the unfortunate deaths in the family. And it was most certainly aired out, because I remember Guns auctioning autographed shirts and merch in support for Tommy's family members and being very plain about their reasons.
And if the GNR gear was already sent to ZA during the cancellation, their road crew should've been fired already.
#1858 Re: Guns N' Roses » Fernando's link to leaks? And the craziness that is gnr » 836 weeks ago
Keith Richards fell off a palm tree and the very last two shows of the original itinerary to be canceled were the ones which Guns were supposed to open. Two very last. Serious case of bad luck.
Tommy Stinson fell off some stairs and the Japanese dates in '07 were postponed and the South African ones canceled altogether. The only funny thing was that there was already a blank spot in the Guns itinerary between ZA (early May) and Mexico (early June).
Of course, the official word is the one to go by. Right...?
#1859 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Matt Sorum joins Motorhead for tour » 837 weeks ago
While we're on the subject, how's Lemmy's current live condition?
#1860 Re: The Garden » Laptop vs Netbook » 837 weeks ago
I love my Asus Eee PC 900 netbook. Had a Linux Ubuntu installed instead of the crappy Asus interface, works well with office progams, graphics tools, audio tools, DOS Box etc. Battery life quite reasonable, can hook up an external DVD-RW drive for playback and burning, USB sticks also work well, as I understand that as a legal owner of a DVD, I can keep a file copy available (hint, hint). Surfing's good, ain't much a fine-tuned Firefox can't handle. Easy to carry around with me, can live with the touchpad, although have the basics still as external components as well (headphones, mouse, DVD..). When traveling, can live without them, though. Currently my only computer and once you get used to it (provided your daily use doesn't include something like Pro-Tools or Maya), netbook's really a wonderful little piece of work.