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#1851 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 558 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

Nahhh, never happen. Trumps gotta go toss-up state for his VP.  Either Florida (which is why I'm surpised Rubio attacked him so hard. I thought he was gonna cede to the fact he'll become Trumps running mate.  (Young, likeable, upstart, Latino & Florida). But I guess Rubio's advisors just told him to go All In for the nom. Otherwise I read the Fla Governor, the SC gov (woman), and maybe Ohio (Kasich, must be why he's staying in the race, to get better name recognition).

To be clear, I wasn't saying that Christie would be his Veep (or wanted to be), but rather what career politician on the right would be willing to endorse Trump at all. It's a risky endeavor, especially since many don't see Trump as a conservative. And if Trump were to run and then lose, they could be punished later on for going against the grain.

I agree with what you said in regards to swing states. Christie also has the same alpha-male-tough guy persona, which wouldn't make sense as a running mate.

#1852 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 558 weeks ago

RaZor wrote:

2- I think he made some good points on foreign policy,?how we've destabilized the region.
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I found the exchange about Israel very interesting. Trump, like everybody who preceded him, wants to negotiate peace between Israel and Palestine, and feels that he must take a different approach. Rubio scoffs, saying that Palestinians are terrorists, and we should be stand beside Israel first and foremost. In other words, business as usual, expecting a different result. This is where I like Trump, because he points out that the status quo isn't working, or hasn't worked (Iraq) and we should try it differently. On the other hand, does he have the foreign policy know how and experience to do this? I doubt it.

#1853 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 558 weeks ago

RaZor wrote:

Also, the exchange between Rubio and Trump on Obamacare was weird.  Rubio argued that Trump didn't have any real ideas on healthcare, other than "getting rid of the lines, whatever that means".

Wtf - that's the idea. Create competition and allow the market to reduce price.  That's the idea. And that's the most conservative of ideas. That was the idea that republicans presented as the alternative for Obamacare - now Rubio doesn't know what that means all of a sudden? Wtf?  Why press Trump on that? What was he looking for? A lecture on free market economics 101? Does Rubio not believe in free market economics? 

Bottom line, you make covering pre existing conditions mandatory - you allow carriers to compete nation wide. Carriers that can't afford it will fail, carriers that can make it affordable with succeed - that's the market system - that's how you make things affordable.  Rubio "doesn't think that's a realistic idea" because the healthcare lobby doesn't like the idea. Crony capitalism.

I thought it was weird too. Trump just shrugged his shoulders and said (paraphrasing) "Yes, that's it!" Simple concept, no need for a dissertation. I had to laugh at Rubio too, who offered tax credits for Americans to buy insurance...you know, like Obamacare. In fact when you read his plans (chock full of generic and empty promises like "promote innovation") it's quite similar to the ACA.

Anyway...Christie endorses Trump. Which to me is shocking, and kind of a big deal (We'll see how true that is I guess.) Also answers my earlier question in regards to his Veep and who would put their neck out there to get on the Trump bandwagon. Well now we know...

#1854 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 558 weeks ago

Rubio hit Trump hard tonight...I couldn't believe it.

#1855 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 559 weeks ago

And I'll also say, as I said to James earlier, even if Trump wins the General, what does that really mean for the GOP? He doesn't represent them. He represents himself, whilst running on a pseudo-conservative platform. He doesn't play by their rules, scolds them for Iraq, says he wants universal healthcare, says he'll raise taxes on the wealthy, says he's against (in theory) super PACS, he's clearly not religious, says Planned Parenthood is a good thing for women (sans abortion) and has supported many liberal ideas/politicians even within the last few years (including Pelosi and Clinton.) How is this anything the Republican party can be happy about if he takes the White House? He's not going by their playbook now, and he sure as shit won't if he became POTUS. The establishment GOP get very little out of a Trump presidency.

I'm also curious who in the hell would be his running mate. I can't see a professional politician putting himself/herself out there to run as his Veep. The risk to their career would be too high. I would think it would have to be somebody with little to lose.

#1856 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 559 weeks ago

misterID wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:
misterID wrote:

Trump will never win a general election.

Guns N Roses will never reunite.

And they haven't and won't, they just rejoined the band tongue

This clown show is not indicative of a GE. Just wait, everything you love about Trump now, just wait until he has to appeal to women, blacks, Hispanics and bluedogs and how his schtick changes.


Trump can do this here in the GOP primary, and it will work. He's tearing down Cruz now and will soon move on to Rubio next. What he's said in this primary won't have consequences...yet.

However what he's said will be used against him 24/7 in the General to get women, blacks, Muslims, Latinos etc out to the polls for the Democrats, and it will work quite well. Even if he changes his tune, hey may tone it down, it won't matter. They have all the sound bites they can ever dream of.

Many different fractions of the GOP are mortified at Trump being their nominee and find him repugnant. This isn't some unanimous movement inside the Republican party. This is a hostile take over by a master opportunist, and calculating individual. The libertarian wing, the establishment and fiscal conservatives are mortified but helpless against him. He's won't go into the General with the full support of registered Republicans, and then he has to face the music for what he's said in a country whose demographics are shifting every year away from the GOP. Last election Romney won 59% of the white vote and still lost. The Latino vote is also muy importante, no surprise there, and in 2008 Hillary beat Obama with the Latin voting block during the primaries. Trump will do poorly with single women, minority women, blacks etc. too.

#1857 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 559 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:

If all the shit Hilary has done so far hasn't scared people off, she could pretty much kill someone on national TV and gain votes.

The rest of the country doesn't reside in the far right wing bubble. While some accusations have merit, the rest is unsubstantiated (after 13 investigations for instance) and hyperbolic hysteria served up to the right wing base. It works for that core constituency, but not for everybody else. Sometimes I wish Republicans would just turn off the media for a while, then honestly ask themselves if it's possible for every Democratic leader to be so inherently evil/dishonest/dismissive of the COTUS. Or if perhaps they're being whipped into a frenzy by an unending GOP media m machine. Any message wrapped in fear, or has the sole purpose of making you angry/afraid, should make you question the messenger(s.)

#1858 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 559 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

BTW, Obama's vetting of the republican Governor for the supreme court vacancy is brilliant. I didn't see that coming.

Obama has made similar moves like this prior. He is always playing chess while the GOP is playing checkers. He'll vet a middle of the road conservative, and the Republicans will STILL protest it, wait and see.

Give 'em enough rope to hang themselves...and this group of Republicans always will.

#1859 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 559 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

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Just got back from the future. Those are the results in the Trump-Hillary election.

Back on the crack pipe with Robert Downey Jr. I see.

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#1860 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 559 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Cruz is pure slime

Trump chewed his ass and spit it out the other night...

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