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#1861 Re: The Sunset Strip » Halloween 3D in summer 2010 » 823 weeks ago

Yeah,

What I wrote was obviously something I pretty much came up as I went, barely troubling to double up and spell-check whatever was coming out. Should a script be commissioned, I'd obviously let them know the Stanford Prison Experiment references should be sidelines, because when you have around 4-5 Michaels doing doughnuts around town, you get 45 minutes max on exposition and character development as their 'human' selves and would still need to convincingly portray their respective journeys to madness. At that point, you're looking at a mini-series format if you have any intention of doing things in a believable and structured fashion.

So, I'd probably weed the Michael's back to one, a Loomis sidekick who gets let loose in Haddonfield and reports to the Doctor on a regular basis on Halloween night. This introduces the scene I always wanted to do but didn't dare including - taking a little bit of a piss on Michael by having his body double do pretty regular things like using a cellphone, taking a leak, basically, surviving through rather common tasks in an unfriendly environment while guised as the legendary psycho-killer. Little by little, the human elements would fall off, he'd stop talking, start getting all the less concerned of his surroundings, etc. The point where you stop wearing a mask, because you no longer realize you're wearing one.

The logical conclusion would have him kill the real Michael (or a real copycat thereof) and take the blame for everything. If you can't get Myers' dental records out of the corpse, you'd be sure to think it being just an innocent bystander. So, he kills the real bad guy and ends up getting blamed for it, as underneath the mask, they all look alike anyway. 16

#1862 Re: The Sunset Strip » Halloween 3D in summer 2010 » 823 weeks ago

If I'd be given a carte blanche to do  a film set in the Halloween universe, I'd take cues from William Peter Blatty's The Ninth Configuration, Atom Egoyan's The Sweet Hereafter and Sean Penn's The Pledge. Basically, the premise would be, every autumn, Haddonfield goes berserk as a masked killer enters the neighborhood, wreaking havoc in the spirit of Michael Myers, the little boy who killed his sister way back when and came back as an escaped mental patient, committing multiple homicides before being shot and killed by Dr Loomis (or Laurie, if you want to go with Zombie's theatrical version - I personally prefer the workprint ending).

The concept would wander into the territory of evil as an entity; Michael Myers, as a person, would be long gone, yet every year, someone would don the William Shatner mask and give up any pretensions of sanity and succumb to a killing spree. Every year, Haddonfield would shut down by Halloween. People would skip town to visit faraway relatives. Curfews would be issued. Trick or treating would be banished. The National Guard would patrol the streets for a few years during the holiday, before leaving the now-cold trail. A Michael would be waiting, somewhere...

He'd get a new killer to examine. A blank, nondescript personality, a shell of a (wo)man. A social class and family environment like any other, nothing singularly pointing out towards the atrocities now committed. He'd sought out a handful of aspiring students in criminal psychology, to participate in an experiment to live the Haddonfield life. Each of them would become a sleeper cell, under the pretext of studying under Loomis at the local university, as he lectures on the problem of evil. Could they observe and acknowledge any of their peers express deviant conduct beforehand, thus preventing a new Michael on Halloween?

Ripping a page from Donna Tartt's The Secret History, they would all become Michael on Halloween, donning the iconic mask and swearing an oath not to testify against the others. They'd all take a walk all over Haddonfield on Halloween. They'd all hunt alone, perhaps thinking an animal would be sufficient, or even traditional haunting, examining the public reactions to the mask itself. One would be caught by local townsmen and scolded by Loomis for a "bad joke". The others would still be out there, unbeknownst to each other - and to Loomis.

There would be a real Michael, however, whether he'd be the jock busted (as Loomis initially fears) or one of his unfortunate peers (caught and mangled by an angry mob), or a complete stranger, would be left open. There could be anyone underneath the mask, slowly coming to terms with the fact that you could anything in Haddonfield on Halloween when you are Michael Myers. You could shag the prom queen. You could rob a liquor store. You could take back on the football team member you got pushed by in the hallway during the fortnight. It is, in fact, a superposition.

At dawn, the survivors would return to Loomis, now exhausted from a night of bacchanal. The headlines of Haddonfield newspapers scream of Michael's night of terror. CNN would have camera crews unloading. The problem of evil, Loomis would sigh to a myrid of microphones, is the fact we all struggle in containing it.

#1863 Re: The Sunset Strip » Halloween 3D in summer 2010 » 823 weeks ago

It's a mask, yes, but it's also the sole relatable/recognizable feature Myers gives out of himself. Any director who renders his Shape an oafish stuntman in a very, very unconvincing mask isn't putting out much effort in regards to the of core the franchise. Little screwed up with the mask and the actor, although Joe Chappelle with H6 probably takes the cake. My main problem is that it's a comparatively inexpensive part of production design, and shouldn't be too hard to be done right.

The fact that so many filmmakers have overlooked this aspect stands as evidence to how far removed they've been of Carpenter's original intentions with the character. Not saying none of the sequels have any redeeming elements, merely suggesting that by phoning in the mask, they've obviously not taken enough time to consider their approach to The Shape.

Little's a decent journeyman director, I guess. He can stage his setpieces competently and deliver some stylish shots to get around uneven source material. Should check out his sequel to my guilty pleasure, Anaconda, to see where he currently lies in regards to directing horror film sequels. 

The 3D part is a bit chilling, as it could end up a similar superfluous novelty as it was in Freddy's Dead, the umpteenth Elm St. sequel. If they'd come with some really clever ways to use it - similar to the Carpenter brainstorm of The Shape slowly lighting up in the dark, we could have some impressive setpieces. Hope they'd actually stage a few masters in 3D and let it play out from there, rather than to have the tacked-on mandatory knife impact or a mask appearance out of nowhere as an insert.

One can dream.

#1864 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy II? - The Truth » 824 weeks ago

GNRCrazyNinjaFan wrote:

Ok Smartass I See This Tracklist Everywhere... It May Be Fake. It May Be Real... So You Need To Stop Being A Damn Dick 4

Sure,

Nothing wrong in discussing a new album or looking into a speculated track listing. But unless you yourself wrote it, you shouldn't be so touchy about others looking into it and pointing out possible discrepancies. I didn't insult you, I looked into the track listing you posted, found an err, and knowing from the experience of nearly a decade of bogus CD Mk 1 track listings, claimed this one should be taken down with a pinch of salt.

In case you're new here, we've (as a collective fanbase) been through this very same song and dance with Chinese Democracy too many times to mention or even to remember. That makes us a speculative bunch of people, and while we try not step on anyones toes in particular for posting stuff like this, you should realize you're only making yourself look a bit daft when allowing such things get under your skin.

A track listing needs to be readied by mastering, no sooner. CD itself was mastered in October '08. That means while the bulk of the songs might've been in place for a while, the final track listing might've been held back for a good while - not to mention the possibility of last-minute modifications caused by the Skewrl leaks. In short, Axl conveniently dumped all tracks leaked during the past two years and if The General/Checkmate had leaked in full, we would've likely gotten it as well as opposed to an obvious placeholder song like Shackler or Scraped.

Again, nothing wrong in talking about it. Benefit of a doubt is all well and good, but should go both ways. And we'd rather talk about it then just observe in silent reverence.

#1865 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy II? - The Truth » 824 weeks ago

The General = Jackie Chan = Checkmate.

Therefore, false list. Nice try.


Furthermore, your Silk Worms leak is a retooled RIR3 performance. You sure it's not the handywork of Jackamo from the late Eat My SilkWorms - cause I've heard better remixes of his...

#1866 Re: The Sunset Strip » Halloween 3D in summer 2010 » 824 weeks ago

While we're on the subject (sort of), I must say I'm actually on the soapbox claiming Halloween III: Season of the Witch is a wonderful little film, although it should've never been directly linked to the Myers continuum. It has the ridiculous sex appeal by Tom Atkins (who apparently has had an affair with every other female character in the film), the overblown, Spinal Tapish master plan by the evil toymaker (the pitchperfectly cast Old Man from Robocop), nonsensical kill scenes by the 'evil suits' (you'd think they'd find simpler ways to fend folks off), and gags later ripped off by Evil Dead 2 and Austin Powers.

Dean Cundey's scope photography is sweet, there's still plenty of Carpenter / Alan Howarth score to go around, the plot devices are hilarious and within every five minutes, the film just throws another curveball at you, completely out of the left field. One of the more innocent moments has the characters channelsurfing and seeing the Original Shape, Nick Castle, pace down the stairs during the climax of the 1978 film. The subsequent Myers, stuntman-cum-actor Dick Warlock, actually pulls off a delicious WTF moment early into the film.

You can blame Season of the Witch for a lot of things it's not; all those I can forgive as it's not boring. It's not a Michael Myers film, or even your standard horror film. Hell, it's not even a slasher. Even so, between the campy twists and wooden performances, there are scenes of true menace demonstrating a harrowing view of the world, and I hate to say it, but the era of digital technology doesn't turn it all that obsolete when looking at the iGeneration.

It's a hilarious little mood piece that deserves to be rediscovered without the baggage of The Shape.

#1867 Re: The Sunset Strip » Halloween 3D in summer 2010 » 824 weeks ago

Not just Dimension, who were a Miramax subsidiary back in the day and now the genre branch of the Weinstein co - the whole company, complete with the Oscar-friendly department is facing a serious risk of sinking under the Goldman-Sachs debt. It jives well with the Rolling Stone article by the way; GS sold the Weinsteins to their investors as the next big thing, creating yet another 'financial bubble' they're known for.

Obviously, the brothers botched things up royally. The survival programme also includes three new films in the Scream franchise, so we won't be seeing the line of phoned-in continuations trickle down in the immediate future unless the drawing power of films like Inglourious Basterds and H2 is seriously compromised in the box office.

Serious doesn't even begin to cover it. Alexandre Aja's Piranha 3-D (a pseudo-sequel to the Joe Dante / James Cameron entries) was pushed back from a June slot way up to next April, to cover up the postponement of Robert Rodriguez's new film. There also lies a theory - Aja has a consistent track record of an interesting French film (Haute Tension), has dabbled with remakes (The Hills Have Eyes) and now has a finished 3-D film under his belt.

So Aja's definitely a possibility. However, I feel that when looking back at Zombie's contributions to the franchise, he will - to a degree and from a certain point of view - be eventually greeted as someone, who finally had the stomach to throw a lot of things out the window and craft seriously inane, completely demented and expectation-damning entries to a franchise long dead in its tracks. Not saying he did it any favors, but when considering the whole of the Halloweens, his films should be considered as similar ventures as the infamous pt.3; only instead of ditching Michael, he went and completely oversaturated the character.

Already H2 is considered a horror sequel on par with the gleefully insane Exorcist II: The Heretic, only the first part wasn't a horror film classic by any stretch. Maybe, the Zombie films will play out as a wonderful double feature one day, with the audiences scratching their heads when run-of-the-mill formulas are ditched in favor of an all-around white trash showdown, featuring Michael Myers the Hellbilly.

With all of Zombie's shortcomings, I maintain his films (while they have little to do with Carpenter's original) will always stand head and shoulders above most of the sequels for the novelty value alone. It's the Grindhouse version of Halloween, had Carpenter opted to go the exploitation route back in the day instead of focusing on the Hitchcockian aspects. In a world of no-balls modern horror, it's a fun kind of bastard to have around.

#1868 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash Myspace, Facebook, and Twitter updates » 824 weeks ago

Had Slash & Popcorn busted out Shackler's Revenge, that'd been awkward.

Then again, it would've also been absolutely hilarious.

#1869 The Sunset Strip » Halloween 3D in summer 2010 » 824 weeks ago

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Apparently true.

'Halloween 3D' coming in summer 2010

"Halloween II" may not have won the box office this weekend, but Weinstein Co. is taking a lesson from the movie that did as it prepares a sequel for next summer. The independent studio's co-Chairman Bob Weinstein said today that the 3-D sequel, titled, appropriately enough, "Halloween 3D," is in development.

... Weinstein said Rob Zombie, who directed "Halloween II" and 2007's reboot of the 31-year-old horror series, won't return for "Halloween 3-D." He said the studio is in negotiations with a new director, whom he declined to name, who has experience in horror and has a "different take" on the franchise. - LA Times

As the Weinstein company is up to their necks in debt, the decision to follow up on H2 at breakneck pace is no surprise; it's a part of their 'survival programme', discussed in the NYT article I posted in this thread some time back. They're keeping budgets relatively low, pushing up the gore power and trying to get the fanboys to come back. If played right, the franchise is a surefire moneymaking machine. Too bad they're letting Zombie continously try his hand in killing whatever has so far been tried to established.

#1870 Re: The Garden » Fantasy Novels » 824 weeks ago

To me, Stephen King has always been a hack. A gifted hack, but a hack regardless. However, in the 70's he had the youthful enthusiasm as opposed to the later-day self-referential house of mirrors, when the protagonist might've been a struggling writer but his writing was always interrupted as chaos ensued. Salem's Lot is a perfectly serviceable gothic vampire story loving transported to Maine, The Shining has an ingeniously simple plot device with the vacant Overlook hotel serving as a method to the madness. The Stand already demonstrated many of his would-be peeves; excessive ensemble of cardboard stock characters, riddled with shallow details guised as depth, the Randall Flagg character and the interest in Western pop mythology archetypes... Still, it was somehow readable and served as a fine exit to a more self-important bestseller existence.

Perhaps IT still shows some signs of that old cunning, but it's still far too long, ultimately falling short from being the darker side of Stand By Me, because King now refuses play out all the innuendos of the youngster group. It was going to a very, very nasty direction, which would've made the man even more hated amongst the Born-again Christians and every other party on the case of unwanted entertainment... Which I fear partly scared him off. Shame,  it would've been good to have another bookend to the Enid Blyton-romps.

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