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#1861 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 410 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:https://s22.postimg.cc/dr7s6b9nl/094509 … _E0003.png
Everyone in Pittsburgh just saved 7% a month off their water bill. For a lot of people, that extra $5 a month matters. It’s adding up. So saying it’s a failure isn’t accurate. Trump should remind people on the success of his tax cut compared to Obamacare’s laughable roll out at every contested congressional seat.
Lol $5
I'm sure a lot of the people you claim to care about could use that $5. Especially when it's $5 from multiple sources and it quickly becomes $20-$40 extra a month. But good ol' Mitch is content to shit post. Never one for the facts or reason. Tell us another story about how your brother got medical treatment 20 years before Obamacare and then explain again how Obamacare deserves credit for saving his life. I'm sure it will make sense this time.
Didn't you say you'd save 20-30k under this for your business? Have you given your employees $5 extra a month, or are you pocketing all that savings?
#1862 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 410 weeks ago

Everyone in Pittsburgh just saved 7% a month off their water bill. For a lot of people, that extra $5 a month matters. It’s adding up. So saying it’s a failure isn’t accurate. Trump should remind people on the success of his tax cut compared to Obamacare’s laughable roll out at every contested congressional seat.
#1863 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 410 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:mitchejw wrote:Why are you entertained by trump getting on stage and making fun of other Americans because he doesn’t like them?
I find it wildly inappropriate.Where can I find you post condemning the deplorables comment?
Edit: Couldn't find it. Only time you used the word was to call America deplorable.
I’m also not the president either...no one really cares what i think...they do care what he thinks.
Edit: the deplorables comment seems awfully mild compared to trump wouldn’t you say? He’s made fun of handicapped people, liberals, Dems, Big cities, half the country thinks he’s racist, he’s called Mexicans rapists....everyday he rips on fellow Americans for disagreeing with him or anyone who chooses to retaliate.
Definition of deplorable
1 : deserving censure or contempt : wretched deplorable living conditions
https://www.merriam-webster.com/diction … h-dict-hed
If you're talking about sheer number of insults, absolutely I agree. Only idiots on late night or twitter could hold a candle, and they're not the President as you put it. But in terms of severity or meanness? She called 25% of the country people "deserving of contempt."
Definition of contempt
a : the act of despising : the state of mind of one who despises : disdain glared at him in contempt
b : lack of respect or reverence for something acting with contempt for public safety
2 : the state of being despised
3 : willful disobedience to or open disrespect of a court, judge, or legislative body contempt of court
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/contempt
Ergo she said that 25% of the population was deserving of being despised.
Definition of despise
despised; despising
transitive verb
1 : to look down on with contempt or aversion despised the weak
2 : to regard as negligible, worthless, or distasteful despises organized religion
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/despised
So Hillary thought 25% of the country is worthless, negligible, and distasteful. She said that of her own people, US Citizens.
25% of the country is around 83 million people. Trump insulted "handicapped people, liberals, Dems, Big cities, half the country thinks he’s racist, he’s called Mexicans rapists", but he didn't call 25% of the US population "negligible, worthless, or distasteful".
So spare me the bullshit that Trump's insults are intrinsically worse or weren't directed at an incredibly broad spectrum of people. No one supports Trump's behavior. At least no one here on this forum. And I've seen few talking heads or leaders say they're okay with it. In fact, both McConnell and Ryan have condemned it. So no, I don't think it's mild. The left cried outrage when Romney factually pointed out that 47% of the country doesn't pay a federal income tax, arguing his comments meant these people were "negligible, worthless, or distasteful" rather than acknowledge the fact that 47% of the country isn't interested in someone who wants them to pay anything for the benefits they receive. If you think half the people who supported Trump are "negligible, worthless, or distasteful" and think that's just as objectively true as 47% of Americans not paying a federal income tax, say so and we can agree to disagree. But calling someone a piece of shit and pretending it's different because you flex your vocabulary doesn't change the fact you're calling them a piece of shit.
But Democrats lobbing nukes (every time you've called someone a racist the past 20 years) in an election isn't new. So I'm highly suspicious when people pretend Trump's brash and indecent behavior is new and unheard of.
#1864 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 410 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:The rallies are entertaining
Why are you entertained by trump getting on stage and making fun of other Americans because he doesn’t like them?
I find it wildly inappropriate.
Where can I find you post condemning the deplorables comment?
Edit: Couldn't find it. Only time you used the word was to call America deplorable.
#1865 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 410 weeks ago
The guy from reason magazine had a good point that the rallies are basically stand up acts and no one takes him serious, except his most sycophantic minions.
I think Bernie and his voters deserve a lot of credit for Trump.
I think Obama is more apt. I totally get your point about Bernie offering the world without any basis in fiscal reality. How loyal his followers were and their disregard for reality. But Obama was the progenitor of that. He's the Social Media President. No, I'm not saying Obama is anything like Trump. But Obama knew that he had a base of supporters who were just as nutty and removed from reality as the most devout Trump or Bernie supporters, and he did nothing to address their fantastical expectations. The man was given a Nobel for making people feel good and inspiring hope. He didn't deliver on any of that, as the world stage was objectively worse with him leaving office than before going in.
I'm not saying Obama promised the world like Bernie or Trump, but his surrogates did, and he openly embraced their rhetoric. He had a virtual "Do no wrong" shield from every media outlet save Fox, which he disparaged and barred from the White House for a time (so please don't pretend Trump is the first to attack hostile media).
Every politician says shit they don't mean. Every politician. Remember how until 2012 Obama was openly against gay marriage, but democrats dismissed that by saying "He supports gay marriage, he just has to lie to keep the party united." Or Hillary's "private" or "public" positions.
Obama was the innovator in grassroots politics and showed how social media could be used to excite a crowd. Bernie and Trump just took it to the next step and made mainstream what nuts had been saying on Facebook since 2008.
#1866 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 410 weeks ago
Why are you guys watching his rallies?
#1867 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 410 weeks ago
#1868 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 410 weeks ago
misterID wrote:This isn't just the Trump thread... and I've spent very little time on this guy, but he is relevant to us politics.
He’s using the same tactics to rise to power that trump did....
Did you see that trump plans to cut taxes even more before midterms? Talk about pandering....
He’s not rising anywhere, Mitch.
#1869 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 410 weeks ago
Looks like Michael Avenatti is going to run for President. Hilarious.
You mean him representing a porn star who fucked Trump, going on a publicity tour, and attacking any official connected to Trump wasn’t in good faith? You mean he did all of this to get attention and build his profile?!? Say it ain’t so, Joe.
Next you’ll tell me Maxine Waters and Al Green lack any legislative accomplishments and are leading the impeachment charge to make themselves appear relevant rather than tax payer sponsored mouthpieces to reparations. I couldn’t handle that big reveal.
#1870 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 410 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:mitchejw wrote:Is this not how trump behaves? I want a president that i feel doesn’t view me as the enemy. That would be a huge help!!
My president attacks me and my people everyday....why shouldn’t i be hostile?
Trump isn't preventing anyone from speaking out against him or expressing a different viewpoint by physically assaulting them or sending death threats. That doesn't mean I think his behavior, his attacks on the media, or the chants of "lock her up" are in any way acceptable or becoming of the President. But he's the rightfully elected leader and was done so in part, because of his behavior. He's not in violation of the law. Antifa is.
Trump does attempt to prevent people from speaking out against him.
I’m thoroughly convinced that if given the power to do so...he would.
So is he or isn’t he? You say you’re convinced if he could, he would. So do you agree he’s not preventing people? That the network media can’t be perceived as openly hostile to him? I’m not even addressing if the hostility is deserved. Just that Maxine Waters can call for his impeachment, and call for he and his staff to be harassed, and Trump is either powerless to stop her, or chooses not to. Either way, he’s not dispatching Soldiers to silence, through threat of force, his political opponents. Kathy Griffin posed with his severed head and outside of a meeting with the Secret Service, was no harmed or impacted by the government in any way.
That’s not true with antifa. They are dispatching soldiers to use violence to silence their political opponents. If they were standing up to Stormtroopers or real, lynching members of the KKK, I might turn a blind eye to the illegality of it. Because those groups are dangerous and do harm people. But not only are they not facing off against real Nazis, the kind that hurt people, but rather doughie bigots who couldn’t hold a job at McDonald’s and haven’t assaulted anyone, they’re labeling conservative protests as part of that false Nazi label. And as shown in Portland, instigating violence in an attempt to silence them. They’re angry and they’re looking for a fight. So they label anyone they disagree with as a fascist, and show up to crack skulls.
That kind of behavior isn’t acceptable nor can it be condoned. Comparing this behavior to Trump’s offensive rhetoric is disingenuous.

