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#1871 Re: Guns N' Roses » The 'Lost' GNR Album from '96 » 861 weeks ago
I was only joking. Sheesh. Just as soon as you mentioned his talent I felt that video was humorously appropriate.
So was I! Clearly he's deficient in some areas... but hey, at least he's willing to learn. And stick the whole process up on YouTube, thus making an ass of himself in front of millions. 
#1872 Re: Guns N' Roses » The 'Lost' GNR Album from '96 » 861 weeks ago
The great talent of Dave Navarro as he learns a new and very simple technique
EDIT: Watch all of it but pay special attention to 1:18

#1873 Re: Guns N' Roses » The 'Lost' GNR Album from '96 » 861 weeks ago
(okay, he also co-wrote Back Off Bitch, but even Izzy had his off days).
lmao
Man, until you mentioned his name I totally forgot about them wanting Dave Navarro back then. If that would have happened, not only would there have been a real third album, but the motherfucker would have been TIGHT as fuck. This is a total fandom fantasy, but I'm thinking it would be one of the best albums of the 90's here. He would have totally revitalised them, and of course, the band would have completely imploded from herion abuse. But it would've been a beautiful train wreck.
It's frustrating, 'cause I think Navarro would've been the perfect complement to Slash and Axl at the time. Listen to his solo album, and it's full of the experimental NIN-style muso noodlings that Axl was in love with. Listen to the Chilis and Jane's Addiction, and he's nailed the sleaze-rock vibe. He's humble enough to take a back seat to Slash playing classic rock rhythm for the Camp Freddy gigs, but he's musically skilled enough to do the crazy technical Buckethead/Zakk Wylde stuff Axl clearly wanted to bring to the table. And he's just, well... cool.
Of course, there was the small issue of all the heroin...
#1874 Re: Guns N' Roses » The 'Lost' GNR Album from '96 » 861 weeks ago
elevendayempire wrote:misterID wrote:And I could see Slash refusing to work on anything with Huge involved, like TWAT, IRS, Catcher...
Like I say, I find Slash's beef with Huge really hard to fathom. He claims that Huge was just some old school friend of Axl's, and "not exactly Izzy". Well, the facts don't bear that out; Huge co-wrote I.R.S., TWAT and Catcher, three of the best tracks off Chinese Democracy (okay, he also co-wrote Back Off Bitch, but even Izzy had his off days).
It seems to boil down to Huge doubling up on the solo in Sympathy for the Devil - which, as I've said, benefited the song. Slash clearly has a bit of an ego on him - God forbid that anyone should attempt to share the limelight with him, even if they're a more talented/technically skilled guitarist. Witness the big spat with Axl over sharing lead duties with Zakk Wylde ("like a giant snake fighting a T-Rex"). Or the Slash and Friends gig, where John 5, for Christ's sake, was stuck on rhythm. Slash seems to get on well with Navarro - probably because Navarro knows to suck it and sit back on rhythm duties during all the Camp Freddy gigs.
John 5 played lead on Crazy Train, had a solo on War Pigs and Paranoid....
That's three songs out of twenty. Not exactly an even distribution. 
#1875 Re: Guns N' Roses » The 'Lost' GNR Album from '96 » 861 weeks ago
And I could see Slash refusing to work on anything with Huge involved, like TWAT, IRS, Catcher...
Like I say, I find Slash's beef with Huge really hard to fathom. He claims that Huge was just some old school friend of Axl's, and "not exactly Izzy". Well, the facts don't bear that out; Huge co-wrote I.R.S., TWAT and Catcher, three of the best tracks off Chinese Democracy (okay, he also co-wrote Back Off Bitch, but even Izzy had his off days).
It seems to boil down to Huge doubling up on the solo in Sympathy for the Devil - which, as I've said, benefited the song. Slash clearly has a bit of an ego on him - God forbid that anyone should attempt to share the limelight with him, even if they're a more talented/technically skilled guitarist. Witness the big spat with Axl over sharing lead duties with Zakk Wylde ("like a giant snake fighting a T-Rex"). Or the Slash and Friends gig, where John 5, for Christ's sake, was stuck on rhythm. Slash seems to get on well with Navarro - probably because Navarro knows to suck it and sit back on rhythm duties during all the Camp Freddy gigs.
#1876 Re: Guns N' Roses » The 'Lost' GNR Album from '96 » 861 weeks ago
Though it sounds rather like there was a finished Slash-era version of TIL - wonder if Slash did a solo for it? Now that'd be something to hear (for all that I love the Finck solo).
#1877 Re: Guns N' Roses » The 'Lost' GNR Album from '96 » 861 weeks ago
Be interesting to speculate on what Axl would've done with Fall To Pieces. It'd certainly be completely different lyrically, it's a very personal Scott song.
#1878 Re: Guns N' Roses » The 'Lost' GNR Album from '96 » 861 weeks ago
The other guitarist possibility, of course, is that Dave Navarro might've joined up and stuck around if Slash had been in the band. I could see a Slash/Navarro line-up working; Navarro doesn't seem to threaten Slash's ego in the same way that Wylde and Huge did (he seems happy to take a back seat and play rhythm in Camp Freddy, while Slash hogs the limelight, for instance). Plus he has the widdly shred skills that Slash lacks, and the experimental vibe that'd suit Axl - actually, didn't GN'R try to recruit him as a replacement for Izzy?
#1879 Re: Guns N' Roses » The 'Lost' GNR Album from '96 » 861 weeks ago
Okay let's make this hypothetical-could have been album up. Track by track.
Heres what I got.
1. Dime Store Rock Snakepit
2. Doin' Fine Snakepit
3. I.R.S Huge/Axl Collaboration
4. TWAT Huge/Axl Collaboration
5. The Rose Petalled Garden BLS-from Wylde/Slash sessions
6. Box (Down By The Ocean) Possibly one of the tracks Duff and Izzy wrote
7. Fall To Pieces Velvet Revolver- was written during the 94-96 era
8. Monkey Chow Snakepit
9. Believe In Me Duff Solo- featuring Slash
10. Catcher In The Rye Huge/Axl Collaboration
11. Beggars and Hangers On Snakepit
12. This I Love AxlIt's not a GREAT album but it's good and if they had went with it and reworked it, could have been pretty killer. Again this is all hypothetical stuff, like elevenday said I'm cherry picking.
'Course, we're also overlooking things like: the versions of TWAT and IRS that would've appeared on this album would be extrapolated from the pre-Buckethead versions; so no gigantic solo at the end of TWAT (unless Slash had the same brainwave). Indeed, it wouldn't even have the killer Finck solo or his licks over Axl screaming "I would do anything for you." Which kinda make that song.
It's a pretty solid album, but the other thing we've got to remember is that in 1996, it would've been "just another GN'R album". The mythology of Chinese Democracy hadn't built up, GN'R-style rock had yet to be rehabilitated in the wake of the grunge explosion... I don't think it would've made that much of an impact. Certainly not as much as Chinese Democracy would've done had it been released in 2002.
#1880 Re: Guns N' Roses » The 'Lost' GNR Album from '96 » 861 weeks ago
...Though having said that, it's easy to look at something that didn't happen and claim that it would've been better than what we got. For instance, if you look at Queen's The Miracle, Innuendo and Made In Heaven, and the Brian May solo album, there's a killer Queen album in there somewhere. But, of course, you're cherry-picking the best tracks.


