Look at the hate we're breeding. Look at the fear we're feeding. Look at the lives we're leading.

I know. GN'R fans should've seen the writing on the wall.

Remember, we're supposed to be fans of a rock 'n' roll band.

A non-existant one, beyond infrequent tours that only happen 4-5 years and unreleased material that leaks.

Sooner or later you come to that line that's only up to you whether or not you cross it.

I'd agree with that. But we crossed it because WE ARE fans, not because WE AREN'T.

I see many have already made that choice. There was an understandable hunger by the fans to hear some of these new leaks, but just because you've been anxiously awaiting this album doesn't mean you're owed anything.

I certaintly don't think i'm owed an album. But I am owed RESPECT. I've bought their albums, bought concert tix, and many memories. The business arrangement may be over, but it still doesn't mean as a fan, a long time fan, that i'm not owed some respect by the GN'R camp. Axl seems to only respect the beggers & hangers on that continue to tell him what he wants to hear.

It's a choice to buy tickets when the band tours. It's a choice to pick up live albums, greatest hits, or vinyl reissues. Nobody held a gun up to your heads and somehow conned you into it. Your disappointment that an album hasn't materialized yet doesn't give any of you the right to see how many bricks you can pull out from under the empire until it falls.

Why not? We helped build it, and kept it alive during the dark/down years. It's our empire to destroy.

Take that Axl.

If you're fans then be fans, if not then fuck off.

Being a fan and friend doesn't always mean smiles and agreeing with band decisions. Sometimes I constructively criticize them and try to give them, what I think, is good advice. It doesn't mean I don't love them. But they seem to take it personally and react as if it's a personal attack.

Let them carry on with releasing this album and end all of this spiteful, hate filled, immature drama.

Yes. That also applies to the man that ejects concert goers from shows for wearing Slash t-shirts, and at the age of 46 proudly proclaims himself to be 'King Dick'.

But yet we're immature.

Yes, I understand there are some in the GN'R camp who may egg it on, but look at it from their perspective.

EDIT: This post was not directed in any way against MSL specifically, but as a general response to the discussions in this thread and the general state of things as of right now.

That's the point. NO ONE from the GN'R camp should be egging it on. It's unprofessional. Fernando & Beta both should be fired, and Del & Baz contractually barred from speaking on the bands affairs.... just like the BAND members have.

deadsouth wrote:

Saikin wrote:

Isn't this just the fan remix of the Pitman mix?

what pitman mix??  only versions of better I knew of was the 06 one and the 08 one from skrewl.

In 2007, a slightly different version of Better with Pitman masturbating leaked. Then a fan remastered it and was considered another leak, although it obviously wasn't.

I think its safe to say this is the Pitman mix.

Communist China wrote:

As for commercial success, I expect GNR to do close to as well as the biggest rock bands around these days do. That means a lot less than it used to. GNR's top single could not even be top 40 and qualify as 'as successful as any rock is'. If their sales and singles (in the States) can do as well as Metallica's, and a little less than U2's, I'll be happy. The days of rock ballads ever hitting #1 are long gone.

Rock is comming back though....at least it seems to be fighting its way back over here....1980s is getting cool again!

Communist China wrote:

We have no idea how good he is or isn't.

You must have listened to the solo(s) he and Robin did together during the 2006/2007 tours, though?

He also plays some lead parts during You Could Be Mine, Think About You and November Rain and obviously the outro on The Blues and the solo in Madagascar live.

I'd at least say that we're capable to figure out that he's a good guitar player.