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#1901 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 412 weeks ago
How do we get Sessions gone. Him and Steven Miller are the cancers.
So I take it you, the only Trump voter still participating in this discussion, are against the family separation? I know you've had a hard on for Sessions from day one (I assume that is in part because he was your senator until the election), but I've never heard you mention Miller before.
#1902 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash & Conspirators NEW album Living the Dream » 412 weeks ago
elevendayempire wrote:It'd be nice to see some of the currant GN'R line-up guesting on Slash's solo album; get Dizzy to contribute a piano part, or Melissa in for a vocal slot or something.
I don’t think that’s on Slash though.
Those are Axl’s hired hands, not Slash’s. Slash had his own band, the Conspirators going for years, why should he include Axl’s hired goons on his own solo stuff?
Especially not Dizzy or the annoyingly out of place blue-haired Jpop princess, Melissa. They belong with Axl’s stupid techno rubbish, not on a straight up guitar rock record.
What is JPop?
#1903 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 413 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:PaSnow wrote:Anyone see a story last night that Roger Ailes supposed met with Russians in May of 2016 & was offered the dirt on Hillary (hacked emails) for $2mil?
I think I'm starting to piece it all together. Russians proposed the hacked emails for a coupla million, Trump had Michael Cohen payout the money from the Trump Foundation charity bank account, money was exchanged, emails went up onto Wikileaks.
So many crimes in that statement right there, so many.
I have some contacts in the Philly PD. Let me know if you want an interview.
You complimenting my detective work?
#1904 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 413 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:Are you arguing with me or a boogeyman you created you think I represent? Have I ever used that term “fake news” like a Trumpkin or to disparage an entire organization? Have I ever linked Breitbart.
Fair enough. You don’t care about the border or immigration law. A lot of Americans do, and Donald Trump was primarily elected (not by me remember, I’m the “far right wing Republican” that voted for Clinton) because of his immigration rhetoric. I bet money Congress, to include Democrats, finally does something on immigration before August.
Then you can continue to tell us how you don’t care what the law says, how you’ll support obstructionism at the detriment of people you allegedly care about, because saying “fuck you” to Trump is more important than actually helping people.
I love these conversations, because your posts perfectly represent the “fuck Trump” mentality that much of the left is enamored with. And it’s great to get those arguments solidified and out in the open. Your opinions are your own, but the raw hatred isn’t.
Yes it's true that I see you more than anyone else as the embodiment of a Trump supporter on this board. Even if you did vote for Hillary. You are no where near as critical of Trump as you have been of Obama...so it makes you an easy target.
It is raw hatred...I've never denied that. But even without all of that...I still remain staunch in my stance that 'immigration reform' is the Republicans' Obamacare. All this a-do about putting brown people back where they came from is like ice cream cake. I also remain convinced that this isn't a matter of law or immigration at all...it's as feel good to a sect of the population that I cannot relate to. I believe that whether a Mexican is here legally doesn't matter to many of the Trump supporters. It's just about getting them out by any means necessary.
So I'd say my hatred is well matched.
And that's your prism, not mine or many others. Sure, there's absolutely a racist component to the immigration debate. Just like a lot of people just voted for Obama because he was black. That doesn't mean that Obama wasn't a worthy candidate or was somehow less qualified or capable. Stupid people agreeing with you doesn't mean the end point is inherently wrong. There is a valid list of reasons to want a secure border, and you don't get to excuse them because an invalid reason to want to secure the border is rooted in white supremacy. If 50k Norwegians moved into your neighborhood tomorrow to the point everything in your neighborhood was foreign to you, would you not be a little upset. What if they were here illegally? What if they were selling whatever product you make right out in public for 50% less, but without all the red tape you have to abide by to make your items profitable? You wouldn't feel any resentment? Ask why your own government is letting this happen without any control?
I'm not saying the situation is anything like that nationwide, but it absolutely has happened to communities across the nation. For someone who claims to be an advocate for the black community, I'd think you'd have some interest in immigration since illegal immigrants directly compete with poor, black Americans for housing and labor. If we don't do anything to deter illegal immigration, if we essentially have an open border, what's going to stop millions more economic migrants from showing up. Nothing. So we have to enforce the fucking law, or we don't have a border. Illegal immigrants learned that if you show up with a kid, it's a free pass until Sessions/Trump started the zero tolerance policy. I know on the conference today, the DHS secretary said there's been a %300+ increase in child trafficking since Obama chose to not enforce the policy. Now I'll be the first to say that figure means bullshit without the raw numbers. Going from 1 to 4 isn't the same as going from 10k to 40k children. So it's obviously worth the look to figure out how much spin is loaded in that figure and how accurate it is. But has anyone thought to ask how many kids are exploited because crying mothers makes people feel bad and that's become an argument?
Maybe it's a bullshit statistic. But you should fucking look it up. Cause that does matter. Smugglers and free people alike are making a dangerous journey to illegally enter the US putting themselves and others in danger, to include those children. Wasn't it just a month ago that a tractor trailer was found with dead migrants from the heat trying to sneak in? If you remove the reward, they're not going to take the risk.
#1905 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 413 weeks ago
Are you arguing with me or a boogeyman you created you think I represent? Have I ever used that term “fake news” like a Trumpkin or to disparage an entire organization? (Edit: I actually looked at my post history to verify to challenge my own bias. The only time I’ve ever used that term non-ironically on this forum was shortly after the election when the piss tape allegation first broke, before we knew it was the Steele dossier, which I absolutely stand by since it was in direct response to some poster advocating the inauguration be canceled since he “knew” both Pence and Trump worked with Russia to win (January 2017 mind you)). Have I ever linked Breitbart?
Fair enough. You don’t care about the border or immigration law. A lot of Americans do, and Donald Trump was primarily elected (not by me remember, I’m the “far right wing Republican” that voted for Clinton) because of his immigration rhetoric. I bet money Congress, to include Democrats, finally does something on immigration before August.
Then you can continue to tell us how you don’t care what the law says, how you’ll support obstructionism at the detriment of people you allegedly care about, because saying “fuck you” to Trump is more important than actually helping people.
I love these conversations, because your posts perfectly represent the “fuck Trump” mentality that much of the left is enamored with. And it’s great to get those arguments solidified and out in the open. Your opinions are your own, but the raw hatred isn’t.
#1906 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 413 weeks ago
Anyone see a story last night that Roger Ailes supposed met with Russians in May of 2016 & was offered the dirt on Hillary (hacked emails) for $2mil?
I think I'm starting to piece it all together. Russians proposed the hacked emails for a coupla million, Trump had Michael Cohen payout the money from the Trump Foundation charity bank account, money was exchanged, emails went up onto Wikileaks.
So many crimes in that statement right there, so many.
I have some contacts in the Philly PD. Let me know if you want an interview.
#1907 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 413 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:mitchejw wrote:If Dems are to blame then why didn't Republicans cooperate with him to create a plan? Oh yea...because they had no interest in policy creation at the time. They were in full on obstruct mode at the time.
All they want to do now is take credit for the policies. They cared nothing about this 4-6 years ago. So forgive me if I have to yawn at this article.
What plan Mitch? Again, your lack of attention is showing its ass again. A court ruling in 2015, stated it was illegal to keep children in custody with their parents when caught illegally in the United States.
Obama took that to mean “they got us! Come on in!” And stopped enforcing immigration law.
You can either do something or continue to bitch. But this isn’t going away, and when the Democrats continue to not offer any legislative solution, instead asking the executive branch just not to enforce the law, no amount of doctored or outdated photos accompanied by tweets will matter.
Remember when Democrats closed down the government for DACA? Then did nothing to resolve it. Flagg and Pepperidge farm remembers.
Let me put it another way. This is an opinion piece and has a massive bias.
You’re the one always trying to preach that you’re down the middle on the issues then you’ll find an article that blames Obama and Democrats for every single problem we have....
While always conveniently forget if that the Republicans has no interest in coming up with a deal either.
It’s a massive bias.
No, I’m saying the current Democrats won’t sponsor any bill. Obama illegally enacted DACA, then added people turned away at the border to the total list of deportations, grossly exaggerating his efforts at immigration enforcement.
I’m telling you facts. Under Obama, in part due to a court ruling, illegals caught with children were immediately released. Having a child with you was a de facto free pass into the United States. Trump has started a zero tolerance policy, and because he is unable to keep the children with their parents due to that court ruling, they’re housed temporarily until foster care or a relative take them.
This can be solved one of two ways: we return to not enforcing the law and allowing anyone with a child to get a free pass, or we change the law so family units can be housed together and children won’t be separated. Those are our two options. There isn’t a third.
I don’t support allowing illegal immigrants to use their children as a literal “get out of jail free” card. Are you?
If not, then Democratic legislators need to allow congress to pass a fix without filibustering it.
Oh, and you obviously didn't read the article. It's from CNN. Not biased and has nothing to do with my argument. But thanks.
#1908 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 413 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/bor … index.html
Democratic policies are to blame for this. They refuse to do anything and celebrated while Obama abused his authority and let anyone without a criminal record stay.
Now people enter our country and recklessly flaunt our laws. So much so they drive with 14 people in an SUV 100+ miles down the interstate.
This needs to end. Pass immigration reform and end this chaos.
If Dems are to blame then why didn't Republicans cooperate with him to create a plan? Oh yea...because they had no interest in policy creation at the time. They were in full on obstruct mode at the time.
All they want to do now is take credit for the policies. They cared nothing about this 4-6 years ago. So forgive me if I have to yawn at this article.
What plan Mitch? Again, your lack of attention is showing its ass again. A court ruling in 2015, stated it was illegal to keep children in custody with their parents when caught illegally in the United States.
Obama took that to mean “they got us! Come on in!” And stopped enforcing immigration law.
You can either do something or continue to bitch. But this isn’t going away, and when the Democrats continue to not offer any legislative solution, instead asking the executive branch just not to enforce the law, no amount of doctored or outdated photos accompanied by tweets will matter.
Remember when Democrats closed down the government for DACA? Then did nothing to resolve it. Flagg and Pepperidge farm remembers.
#1909 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 413 weeks ago
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/bor … index.html
Democratic policies are to blame for this. They refuse to do anything and celebrated while Obama abused his authority and let anyone without a criminal record stay.
Now people enter our country and recklessly flaunt our laws. So much so they drive with 14 people in an SUV 100+ miles down the interstate.
This needs to end. Pass immigration reform and end this chaos.
#1910 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 413 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:mitchejw wrote:That happens when I post on my phone sometimes...It's hard to edit/revise when you can't see the whole thing...
My point basically was...I don't say any empirical evidence that these new immigration polices help anyone...I know it's hurting farmers and landscapers. I see no evidence that it's helping anyone.
I know it makes a certain segment of the population feel good though.
Basically on a list of priorities, immigration 'reform' doesn't even make the top 10 on my priority list.
If you don't understand why keeping economic illiterate migrants from sneaking into our country is important, I don't know what to say. They've completely changed the demographics of some areas and not for the better.
As Mitch said, got some empirical evidence for that? Otherwise it is just making people feel better.
Fortunately we don’t need empirical evidence to uphold the law. Feel free to google immigration demographics. This information is widely known. Being intentionally ignorant of it or flat ignoring it isn’t an excuse. As I said, if you believe in an open border or that people should be allowed to illegally enter without consequence, say that upfront. That way I can ignore you.
But here’s a good start:
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/un … n/state/US
Half lack a high school education. Half don't speak a word of English. 36% have no interest in gaining employment and 61% lack any insurance. This isn't the group any civilized country wants entering their nation en masse illegally.

