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#11 Re: Guns N' Roses » Fernando's link to leaks? And the craziness that is gnr » 754 weeks ago
Another interesting, and potentially telling event in the late 2005 period was the delay of GH2 until March of 2006. Why would Universal, looking to make some cash during the Holiday shopping season, delay the GH2 album? Likely because they felt something more profitable was coming (a dvd and live album); or they felt it more profitable to release the GH2 when the reunion gigs were announced. It all makes sense (events, the calendar, Ross Halfin who is close with Slash being in the know), and of course (as someone has mentioned above) none of the members would discuss business deals of this magnitude with the press--not even Slash. It's bad etiquette, and would potentially wreck future deals, and kill the element of surprise that they all want when and if something eventually does happen with a reunion.
Also, this episode goes to show, regardless of what members may tell the press, deals like this can and do come together quickly--sometimes totally unforeseen by those who are directly involved. Although I do believe Duff's meeting in London with Axl was unplanned, it does make one wonder a bit what goes on behind the scenes? Obviously, neither would ever leak word if something was trying to be organized, and all parties know the huge amount of cash they would make from even one reunion tour (the power of the $$ can never be underestimated, even by Axlites). One never knows--heck Axl's lawsuit against Azoff could (total speculation) be a negotiating tool to get a better deal from Live Nation for a reunion tour--Axl knowing he is going to lose and owe Irving the 1.8 million, and that his debts are going to force him to suck it up and do one big tour with his former band mates at some point? It's tough for anyone in the industry (ask anyone in the concert industry and they will tell you they think a reunion will eventually happen) to fathom the original band not reuniting at some point sooner than later due to the huge pay out they would make. The $$ are off the charts, and would surpass anything they made during the Illusion tour. Will it happen, who knows, but I for one still believe it is more likely to happen than not, and sooner than later.
#12 Re: Guns N' Roses » 9 Years ago tonight » 754 weeks ago
I was in Las Vegas, at the Hard Rock Hotel, seeing GNR (the same night Slash was not allowed in I think). Was a fantastic show, and a great venue. Since that time, 1 album, and 10 gazillion rumors.
I was at both of those shows--phenomenal! I hung out with Rick Rubin at the bar before the show, who was there with a VIP moniker hanging around his neck. It should have been a sign that Axl's "the album is almost done" stuff was complete BS. In hindsight, it's clear that UMG has sent him there in hopes of Rubin signing on to try to get an album out of Axl.
#13 Re: Guns N' Roses » Fernando's link to leaks? And the craziness that is gnr » 754 weeks ago
Handsome B. Wonderful wrote:Neemo wrote:when did they say that CSS?
Axl said it during the Eddie Trunk interview back in 2006 and Duff denied it soon after Scott Weiland lashed out after he'd left (or got fired from) Velvet Revolver.
I believe that it was in an interview with Classic Rock magazine.
Eddie Trunk: There were some rumors circulating recently that there was talk that you would do or that there was rumblings about possibly doing shows with the original line up of the band and then... All rumor?Axl Rose: No, that's all nonsense. That's just people starting stuff for whatever reason.
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Duff McKagan: I know he was really paranoid about that and we had to allay his fears at one point, when we were writing for 'Libertad'. He got wind that our manager at that point had been talking to Axl about bringing Axl over to what was our management company back then. And Scott freaked out that we were getting GN'R back together and we weren't going to make the second record. I don't know where it came from. There was no contract on the table or pens ready to sign. Maybe now he's convinced himself that's what happened.The conspiracy theorists don't want to believe any of that though. It's no fun that way.
What is amazing reading through this, to this point (page 13 is where I am at now), is that there is no mention of Irving Azoff. Azoff was the manager of Velvet Revolver in 2005/2006 (they switched in 2006, likely due to some of the things mentioned about the reunion deal he was likely working at that point in time). There is no doubt, UMG and Azoff wanted a reunion, and there is no doubt that is why he signed onto be Axl's manager. As nuts as Axl's lawsuit against Azoff is--mainly because is does not refute Azoff's claims to commissions for concerts he booked--it definitely hits the mark regarding Azoff's intentions with GNR and his monopoly of the concert industry. Keep in mind, when Merck was fired in 2006, everyone in the industry knew Azoff was going to be GN'R's manager, it just wasn't made official until 2008. Also, the time frame for the 2005 early 2006 reunion stuff really makes sense--Axl and Izzy started hanging again in that time, and Axl happened to hang with Sorum in NYC early in 2006. I also posted here in that time frame, that I heard from a DJ (member here) that he had heard rumblings from his contact at UMG that a reunion was being negotiated in that time frame. James and I exchanged PM's about it, and he was the only one, after I shared my sourcing, who saw that there was something potentially happening. I also had a friend of Dizzy's tell me something could be going down during that period. Very interesting--Aphex is definitely well sourced.
My thought about the later leaks is likely that Azoff was somehow working with UMG to promote the Skwerl leaks, in hopes of it finally getting Axl to release the CD and see for himself--from Azoff's point of view--that this new band was not going to work commercially and a reunion was needed.
Another note, I believe that when Sanctuary failed, UMG bought them, and then Azoff negotiated a new deal between GNR and UMG in 2008 which: erased Axl's recording debts to UMG, retained his 1/3rd of the publishing which UMG received in the Sanctuary buyout, and then helped UMG erase their losses by convincing Best Buy to purchase the CD for an exclusive release.
Azoff goes way back with GNR, and was aware of them in 1986, as he was and is a close friend and business associate with David Geffen. Geffen originally approached and wanted Azoff to manage GNR in 1986. He also had a hand in putting VR together, and was their original manager until Libertad, when he then cut ties with Slash and Duff, but stayed on as Weiland's manager.
#14 Re: Guns N' Roses » Sound Check VIDEO » 809 weeks ago
That's why those two shows have only a few hundred cheap seats left? I saw them six times in 2006 (five of six were awesome shows), and countless boots on youtube from that tour prove you wrong. For the most part, his vocals and performances in 2006 and 2007 were some of the best of his career. For instance, The KOHD at Rock am Ring is magical (on youtube)! Maybe it was where you were sitting, because I did notice the one show I was at, where unfortunately I was in the upper deck, he was inaudible at times.
#15 Re: Guns N' Roses » how are the shows selling this time around? » 809 weeks ago
In this climate, all things considered, both (U2 and GNR) sold well--pushing 5 million physical units in 2009 is a miracle! GN'R is even more impressive--did it without any publicity, a hit single, any tour, and Axl was nowhere to be found besides a few chat sessions. The album will surely push some more units with the tour. If those rehearsals are any indication, they are going to put on a helluva a show. Asbha is very impressive (Blues solo and outro are out of this world)!
#16 Re: Guns N' Roses » how are the shows selling this time around? » 809 weeks ago
I read multiple articles (I wasn't paying attention at the time much to GN'R) stating numbers over 10 million--I think it was some of the Asian press releases--which I remember being highly suspicious of. The last global chart, in April, that I saw had it at 5.1 million worldwide. I think CD is a little over 6 million. Last I saw, U2 was at 3.8 million worldwide.
FYI, calling the new U2 cd brilliant, etc. is not belittling it.
#17 Re: Guns N' Roses » And the controversy starts! » 809 weeks ago
Yep, top story posted...amazing timing Irving! This mini-tour will now be followed, reported on, and generate a buzz for Canada, and that will lead to MASSIVE South American shows followed by Summer in Europe, etc. This is gonna be great!!! Axl will get some good pub out of this--the paparazzi is not well liked, and defending your woman (was this set-up by Irving) against the paparazzi will score him even more points!
#18 Re: Guns N' Roses » Sound Check VIDEO » 809 weeks ago
scom sounds great, they really have there shit together. dj ashba i solute you sir, killer solo
best live solo I've ever seen for that song--out of this world! That stage set-up is killer, with the huge screens to the side, and the incredible tiered screens to the side of the band, and the huge lights on-top of the stage. Looks as big or bigger than the UYI set-up! Universal and Azoff have invested, and are laying a foundation for a much larger tour than we have expected. Word will get out if they deliver in the upcoming months--they have added a huge theatrical side to this which was missing in 2002, 2006, and 2007. Watch Tommy in these rehearsals--he is the General! And to DJ Ashba--wow, welcome, you are a fucking rock god!! Blues solo better than the recorded one!
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#19 Re: Guns N' Roses » how are the shows selling this time around? » 809 weeks ago
Wow, been gone for nearly a year--checked in once and not much has changed. Not trying to start an argument, but the gist of this thread is ridiculous.
--GNR are selling fantastic for this tour! Better than 2006 (most of the Canadian shows will be sold out by show time).
--The Asian shows will be big--those stadiums (take Taiwan for instance) are huge--even if they don't sell out, there are going to be massive crowds.
--The stage set-up, band, lighting, delivery, and organization provided by Irving Azoff is going to make this the best GN'R tour since UYI. They are doing things correctly, and publicizing correctly. Gone are the days of Merck, and his superficial hype machine. To us, it may seem like the promotion is not huge, but note that the concerts promotion started with local radio for the Canadian dates. Irving and his Ticketmaster machine know how to deliver a message, and they are delivering it on a local level via local radio.
--U2's new album is fantastic, but after listening non-stop to some posters self-righteous insinuations that U2 are Gods of the Rock Universe and will outsell everyone with fart sounds reverberating through a synthesizer was hilarious, and is even more so now. TheIR last album landed with a thud, that to those inside the industry was even more disturbing than Chinese Democracy's U.S. sales. U2 is a bit stale right now, at least from a sales perspective. Artistically, the new album is brilliant. Funny thing, and it's debatable, Chinese Democracy MAY have higher worldwide sales than U2's new album. It's somewhere over 6 million--no one can quite tabulate (some reports have it over 10 million), but the thing did gangbusters in certain areas of the world (one wouldn't know that reading through many of the posts here).
--Bottomline, if you love GN'R, what a day it is! The staging, set-up, lighting, video screens, and everything artistically look better than we have seen since 1993! It looks like Universal, when they renegotiated with Axl and Irving, committed to funding part of this tour (boxes in photos of Taiwan say "Universal"), and you can tell. It also does not hurt havingTicketmaster and Live Nation helping, and Azoff knows how to build momentum on the touring side better than anyone. The man demanded perfection, more rehearsing than they had done in ten years, better equipment, sound men, etc. The set-list looks great, and the band is about to deliver.
MAYBE IT'S PART NOVELTY, OR HOW AXL CARRIES HIMSELF, BUT WHEN GN'R ARE ABOUT TO TAKE THE STAGE, THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF WANTON MADNESS THAT NO OTHER BAND BRINGS--ITS SOMETHING TO BEHOLD, AND ITS GOD DAMNED WONDERFUL! THE ANTICIPATION IS BUILDING, THE COUNTDOWN IS ON! ROCK N' ROLL GNFR!!!
#20 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR tour dates in Canada? » 816 weeks ago
Neemo, what show do you want to go to, and what type of seats do you want? I'll get the ticket for you!