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#1991 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash and Duff working on CD II according to MSL » 531 weeks ago

TheSundanceKid wrote:

Oh I meant if they canned Richard.

Ahh Ok....Slash and Bucket would sure bring some firepower!

#1992 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash and Duff working on CD II according to MSL » 531 weeks ago

TheSundanceKid wrote:

I am wondering, would Axl bring back Buckethead if he was able to? Or because he has Slash back, there is no need?

Would Slash be willing to work with Buckethead? If that was the case.

To do what is the question - if Slash back it is insane to divide up the slash solos he wrote into groups of 3's and share them around like the previous bands have.

In terms of bucket doing solos - well he'd be useful for Riad, Sorry and a handful of the CD tracks. But even then would he plays robin's bits too?

3 guitarists = 1 guy playing open chords most of the time + swapping soloists in the middle of solos while the sound guy catches up.

It might have made some sense to stop anyone from having too much 'power' over Axl in the new band...but now the guy that wrote the solos (14 songs excluded) is back - it doesn't make a lot.

#1993 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash and Duff working on CD II according to MSL » 531 weeks ago

wow I kind of have the opposite opinion of that. To me even the 'live' drums on CD sound fake and unnatural. Perhaps it's because Brain was asked to replicate Josh's parts, rather than just do what comes natural, or maybe it's been edited too much, maybe it's thrown by the tinny drum machines under it, or maybe it's because the songs evolved a lot after the drums so they don't quite suit. It's weird because Brain is a fantastic drummer out of GNR...but Chinese Democracy has the weakest drumming of the GNR catalogue.

Sorum I think is incredible. He brings kind of a metal feel to the drumming because of his power but he never really degenerates into full metal drumming and so it just gives the rock are harder vibe. I notice the drums in anything he plays on. He's got a great vibe to his playing - it's not as overly simple as say Ac/Dc but also not as distractingly complex as something like A7X. More over he plays the drums like the instrument adds something to the song rather than just keeping a beat - his fills are often what really made the song have the feel it does. Think of the into to "You Could Be Mine", the fills in "November Rain",  the incredible delivery of locomotive. The guy is a fantastic drummer and added a lot of value to the band IMO.

#1994 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash and Duff working on CD II according to MSL » 531 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

After Slash's first Solo album everything felt really generic, and I don't know if that was Myles,

I think it is mostly Myles.

The actual guitar riffs are straight up rockers that could have been on UYI.

I think they need an Axl to add more dynamic lyrics, and maybe even a bit of structural change as I'll agree they are a little 'verse, chorus, verse' at times. I see them as awesome templates for GNR songs though - if you'd had the others to add their magic too.

misterID wrote:

I didn't like Anastasia. It was a ball of everything I hated about his solo work put into a song.

To me Anastasia is the stand-out track that's not identical to the others. Same with Wicked Stone on his next album - there's something about those two tracks that's superior to the others.

The second half of the song live is amazing:

#1995 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash and Duff working on CD II according to MSL » 531 weeks ago

My problem with the drumming is that the very first drum hit on "Right Next Door to Hell" sounds better than the entirety of the drumming on Chinese Democracy.

I think CD has some of Axl's best vocals and lyrics. However the songs would be so much more interesting without a computer and with a cohesive 5 piece band just playing the melodies.

#1996 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash and Duff working on CD II according to MSL » 531 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Listening to CD today, pitman is all over that bitch with over production that is simply not needed and at times silly.

I remember when the album came out I liked a lot of these touches compared to the demos as at first I thought it was helping to add to a "finished" sound. However, as i've adapted to these versions of the tracks I've come around to your type of view - I love all the orchestration from  Marco Beltrami and Paul Buckmaster - however most of the other synth type stuff seems redundant. At times it feels a lot of this stuff is added because of lack of a really solid guitar melody - there's a lot of little guitar shred fills and tricks and gimmicks - but not really much you'd hum in the shower.

If I could re-do the production the things I think would help it immensely are:

1. More cohesive guitar parts. The rhythm guitars are heavily edited together and it shows. Different tones, different ambiences, obviously dozens of performances - some clearly date from alternative versions of the songs that were in different styles! Some of this cut and pasting is good for establishing a demo and songwriting - but then I would have recorded start-to-finish takes of the songs - like how they were performed live in 06 and 09 - rather than cutting the first two chords in the progression played on a telecaster in 1999, with the third chord played on a strat in 2004 in a different room.

2. Lose the drum machines. If there's one thing that makes the album sound amateurish it's the 8-bit sounding drum sounds in the background. It's nice when the real drums kick in over the top at times. Good example is IRS - the drums at the start over the soft bit would be better to not exist and then the drums could kick in when the physical drums do. These pollute almost every song and have the sound of seeing the pencil outlines on a fully painted drawing. Even if those beats were instrumental to the writing phase...they served their purpose. Lose them. It sounds like someone just forgot to mute the scratch tracks.  In general the drumming on CD is far less effective than on UYI or AFD - there's a reason for this - Brain and Frank are neutered by the presence of the digital crap.

#1997 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash and Duff working on CD II according to MSL » 531 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

Even as a big fan of Silkworms, those type of songs might fit better for a solo album. Maybe if it was just one song like My World, but a GN'R album needs to be grounded in guitars imo. Something like OMG though is a very nice blend of hard rock and industrial. Love Axl's vocals and lyrics on that one.

Absolutely. I remember OMG wasn't well received by most but I think those lyrics are awesome, and the venomous way Axl delivers it all - I'd love to hear the other version Axl said he had around. But overall i'd love to hear some more of that type of stuff.

Hopefully you guys are right and new music is actually on the way. I've been thinking all afternoon about how great that would be. I'm one of those that really enjoyed Chinese Democracy but even so it's been a long time between drinks now...the idea of fresh axl is awesome...and with slash even more so.

#1998 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash and Duff working on CD II according to MSL » 531 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

This is where I don't think this is fair, by singling out Riad and Scraped, we're really going off the weakest songs of the album (but I still think they're kick ass),

Actually I really like those 2 songs - I think Riad has some amazing vocals that people ignore because they don't like the industrial flavour of the track. It's really hard to sing well and axl just nails it.

The reason I chose those songs isn't because they're the weakest but because they're amongst the most non-traditional. I don't have the quote at hand but in one of the interviews Axl described how his Chinese Trilogy would become more progressive with each album.


The idea was always that the first record would have the most old-gnr like numbers and the next couple would get more wild. IMO what we got is consistent with that - in that most of CD1 is basically rock stuff just arranged non-rock like except for a couple of tracks. Meanwhile note how Silkworms was withheld.

So i guess my thing is - sure the label wants Slash and Duff - but if Slash and Duff are given industrial stuff like Silkworms - I'm not sure the label will necessarily be into it.

Then again - I guess if the plan is greatest hits + 2 tracks - they could just dig out the most old bandish one - kinda like if CD1 had only been TWAT and TIL I suppose. And who knows - maybe theres also rock tracks in the vault from before Slash left.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the songs wouldn't be good. I'm just sort of thinking of the business case from the labels POV. They'll want to capitalise and do something...I'm just saying they'd want a "There Was A Time" with Slash and Duff not a Shackler's Revenge with Slash and Duff...and we don't know how many of each Axl actually has around.

#1999 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash and Duff working on CD II according to MSL » 531 weeks ago

Lets put it another way.

Bumblefoot recorded on those songs in 2006-2007.

Dj Ashba recorded on them in 2009-2011.

Nothing has been released.

In terms of Axl suddenly deciding to empty the vault - why is this different?

I suppose if the theory was that Axl found all guitarists other than slash uninspiring he might have always been waiting until he found that right part...and wasn't able to do it with the previous guitarists....but it seems that lack of guitar ability has never been the problem for nu-GNR.

The issue is the label, the business side, and Axl himself.

Now the label would sure like Slash and Duff on the track...but probably only if they're pumping out hit style songs....but if they're just adding their own take to tracks along the lines of Riad and Scrapped.....I dunno....

#2000 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash and Duff working on CD II according to MSL » 531 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Monkey have some faith damnit. Haha

LOL

I used to.

I'm a broken man.

Don't get me wrong, I'm so insanely excited about new music it's not funny. I'll buy it first second.

However this band doesn't function according to normal music business parameters. It hasn't since Axl got control. The only reason it vaguely did in the AFD era was because Axl didn't have complete control. So unless his personal circumstances change and he finds the need to do business according to industry norms  again, whatever we get will follow the normal Team Brazil patterns.

Which means things will come out, but they'll come out late, silently, with no promo or otherwise slightly incorrect.....lol

I mean it's 2016.

Axl was "looking seriously" at putting a record out next in 2014. In 2008 he joked that it could happen in 2009. But he played silkworms live 15 years ago and it's not out. FIFTEEN YEARS.

I guess one day it might happen. But everything about this reunion just says that Slash and Duff gave in and finally joined Axl's band on his terms. I've seen absolutely nothing from Axl that suggests a "compromise" that would involve him changing how he does things to suit Slash and co.

I am actually hopeful we'll see a track or two. But those of you expecting a return to the UYI era are going to see a whole lot of disappointment I think.

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