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#2062 Re: Guns N' Roses » **Kevin Cogill Who Leaked 9 GnR Songs Arrested Today** » 889 weeks ago

war

yeah i agree with faldor. what james is talking about might change what the charges are but the fact remains that the "demos" were stolen and illegally distributed.  them not being finished actually adds the possibility of being further compensated for damages due to people hearing free and unfinished work and being turned off from buying the music after it is done and release. so hurry up and release it!!!

#2063 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash's Reaction to GN'R leaker!!!! » 889 weeks ago

war
polluxlm wrote:

If you're talking about Kid Rocks line of thinking, yeah I see.

Would I be stealing from Exxon if I discovered oil in my backyard and start using it? After all, they 'lose' the money I usually spend on gas.

Would I be stealing from Ford if I went and bought all the necessary parts and built my own car? After all, they 'lose' money by me not going through their channels.

Downloading is not stealing, it's recreating. Sure it's a hell of a lot easier than building your own car or finding oil, but it's still the same principle. You don't deprive anyone of their property. You may indirectly contribute to them making less money, but that's simply not the same thing. People can't be held accountable for the actions of others, that goes without saying in almost everything except when it comes to the entertainment industry.

Companies are out to make money, and to do that they have to calculate all expenses and make that work with the expected return. If the effects of downloading makes you loose money on a project that's your problem. Lower the costs, up the quality, do some creative marketing etc..It's not the customers fault technology suddenly made him able to get all this stuff for practically free. That's simply a biproduct of society, and it's not something that can be fixed by criminalizing 90% of the population.

It's not a god given right to be profitable, and certainly not to maintain profit. The music business used to be a major cash cow, and it still is, but it's like with the shoemaker. Where's he today? Who can he sue, progress?

Fact is the future is looking good for the musicians. Practically anyone can make an album these days and distribute it. If your music is good the word will spread and you can go on tour, license to commercials and tv shows, selling t-shirts etc. It may not be Abba or Stones money, but if you're good enough it's certainly a living above average.

The only ones losing out are the record companies and the shitty artist. Who really gives a fuck about them?

buying parts and building your own car does not compare to downloading and owning free music that was stolen from the artist. the equivilent would be buying the pro tools tracks from axl and then putting them on your own cd.  downloading is not the same as recreating, not even close. you are not just paying for the file or the cd you are paying for what you are hearing and that is the most important part. creating music takes time, money, talent, and effort. if the quality is not good enough for you to buy then it is not good enough to listen to. the future is looking good for musicians as far as them not needing the record companies but stealing music affects whoever created it, not just the record lables and "shitty" musicians.

#2064 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash's Reaction to GN'R leaker!!!! » 889 weeks ago

war

the band /record label hasn't made a cent off of the album yet means what? that it's ok? and the fact that it "usually" happens closer to the release means what? the same?

a significant amount of people will not buy an album when they already have the songs downloaded.

nice kid rock vid

#2065 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash's Reaction to GN'R leaker!!!! » 889 weeks ago

war
sandman wrote:

This is a really stupid question at this point, but is there any chance that something recorded by the original band members could be on Chinese Democracy?

most people would say"not a chance in hell" but it's possible older stuff was reworked and re-recorded by newer members

next to impossible though

#2066 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash's Reaction to GN'R leaker!!!! » 889 weeks ago

war

the fact that leaks are a reality and the fact that artists and record companies try to prevent them does not make it right people.  anyone who says that needs to have their house broken into and for me to tell them that it is their fault for not having proper security measures or that since it is a "reality" the burglars shouldn't be punished. hypocritical or not, i agree with slash's statement.

#2067 Re: Guns N' Roses » **Kevin Cogill Who Leaked 9 GnR Songs Arrested Today** » 889 weeks ago

war

it's still illegal though
putting it in the street would be a different story 16

#2068 Re: Guns N' Roses » **Kevin Cogill Who Leaked 9 GnR Songs Arrested Today** » 889 weeks ago

war

but who do the authorities go after?

the drug users or the drug dealers?

i say the dealers

#2069 Re: Guns N' Roses » **Kevin Cogill Who Leaked 9 GnR Songs Arrested Today** » 889 weeks ago

war

the drug users or the drug dealers?

i say the dealers

#2070 Re: Guns N' Roses » **Kevin Cogill Who Leaked 9 GnR Songs Arrested Today** » 889 weeks ago

war

i agree with dreamline that it doesn't matter who is most responsible cause the details won't get to the average joe but i agree with faldor that it won't be anything new to those same people and my spin on faldor's point is that axl and gnr are getting coverage and it will peak people's interest in the band and in the music.

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