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#211 Re: Guns N' Roses » Dave Grohl appears w/Guns for PC » 408 weeks ago
given their history, this was pretty cool. hopefully kurt isn't rolling over in his grave.
i'd REALLY love to hear him drum on chinese democracy live. imagine that -- slash's badass guitar works with dave's huge fuckin' drum sound. it'd easily be the definitive version of that song!
i mean, dave's drumming on smells like teen spirit was the inspiration for the drums in chinese democracy, so it would only make sense.
The two men sat and talked for six hours straight as Axl filled him in on the state of Chinese Democracy. Fully briefed, the next day Zoot entered the studio without Axl. The first task set him by the singer was to help with the drum sound for the album’s title track. Axl had told the studio guys that he wanted the same drum sound as Dave Grohl on Nirvana’s Smells Like Teen Spirit. The production crew would claim they had it, but Axl wouldn’t be satisfied. Zutaut asked Roy Thomas Baker and the engineer to play what they had, and found himself agreeing with Axl.
“I’m gonna take a break but I’ll be back,” Tom told them and then he did the only sensible thing: “I went and bought Nevermind at the local Tower Records.” Back in the studio, they compared the two and set to work making the GN’R drummer sound exactly like Grohl. “I guess maybe they heard the Nirvana hits on the radio and they just thought that they knew the sound, but none of them had thought to just go buy the album and listen to it.”
They sent the finished thing over the Axl who called Zutaut straight away: “I’ve only been asking for that for, like, six fucking months!” he said. “You don’t understand: I’ve been losing my fucking mind! I ask you for something, I get it. I’ve been asking other people and they can’t get it?!”
#212 Re: Guns N' Roses » the Chinese Democracy you've never seen » 408 weeks ago
man, all that beautiful artwork and we get a big fuckin' sepia toned basket.
i remember this fake from back in the day:
i always pictured the final album would look something like that.
the colors of red and orange were always in my mind with the cover.
btw -- that street of dreams single artwork is amateur hour. still can't believe that's real.
#213 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 408 weeks ago
i'm glad we got to see all the different shades of bucket on the album. as i've said earlier, chinese democracy is pretty much a buckethead tribute album. as much as we bitch about the final version of the album, there's a timeline where bucket is completely erased from the album. imagine that -- if dj and ron recorded every single guitar part.
instead, we get to see bucket at his best and most versatile.
you get his alien-sounding shredding killswitch solos on chinese democracy & better.
his beautiful flamenco work is all over if the world.
shackler's revenge is classic bucket riffing.
i'll never forget when shitty quality versions of IRS were being leaked and the one with the axl scream and bucket solo dropped. that solo still blows me away.
there was a time features what i truly believe is the greatest solo bucket ever put together.
in the past, one of bucket's biggest struggles was just instantly jumping into a chaotic solo with all this double tapping n' shit. i really think his time in guns helped him perfect the art of starting slow and building a solo to the fever pitch.
right after leaving guns, bucket came out with population override -- arguably his most beautiful, soulful and tender album. i don't think the timing there is a coincidence.
bucket definitely elevated the album, but i think working with guns elevated bucket as well.
#214 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 408 weeks ago
i listened to going down with headphones for the first time the other day. i sincerely hope that was just a practice track bbf used to work out his parts. while his fills do sound nice, they are very sparse and totally jarring with the rest of the band jammed up in the other channel.
honestly, it was so uncomfortable to listen to that i couldn't even finish the song. which is a shame, because it's something that totally could have been right at home on one of the illusion records. it sounds like one of those laid back, low-key duff or izzy tunes.
as for chinese democracy (the song), the last thing that needed was a long ass intro. i get what they were going for, and the whole chinese whispers deal is really cool, especially considering the chinese whispers chronicle here on this site.
but was 15 years of waiting not long enough there, axl? did we really need any more of a build up at that point?
#215 Re: Guns N' Roses » How many of the 2001 tracks are out there » 408 weeks ago
I verified that it was an old-GNR session song in 2007 and someone else told me that post-CD release.
that would fit with the speculation that duff was referring to the song on that howard stern interview in '96.
Today I was gonna fly back right after this and we were gonna start recording for this Jackie Chan movie... the next one.
if the old band did lay down the original track, i could see ax re-working it with freese, finck, stinson and the rest of the gang.
i'd imagine it would have been one of the tracks slated for 2000 intensions.
the band has probably long since forgotten about this song, so i'd bet the only way we ever hear it is through a leak (what else is new?).
by the way, a '99 version of prostitute would be REALLY interesting to hear. that's gotta be at the top of my list of old demos & whatnot.
#216 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 409 weeks ago
as cool as this version of madagascar is, look at what axl has turned the hardcore gnr fanbase into -- a bunch of nutcases clamoring over songs written 2 decades ago. "at 2:32 the rhythm guitar is different!" "the change in axl's pitch makes this the definitive version of this song!"
maybe this is what axl wanted. clearly, he is obsessed with chinese democracy. it's his life's work. perhaps all the nonsense during the saga was to create a mythos around the album that was intentionally designed to get the fans equally obsessed. 100 years from now, nobody will be talking about afd or the illusions -- the most interesting album ever made will be the focal point of the band's legacy.
hell, it worked on all of us. i'll be on my deathbad one day thinking about what the general sounds like. as my life flashes before my eyes, i will breathe my final breathe and utter the words "atlas...s-shrugged...." and then pass away into the afterlife.
sometimes, i wish i never saw that vh1 behind the music special back in the day. being a gnr fan is like being a detroit lions fan. every year, you get your hopes up that things will change, and it's always the same ol' shit.
#217 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 409 weeks ago
Madagascar was chosen to test the waters. I haven't yet ruled out The Blues and maybe more, but I was hoping this could hold us over until either Appetite 30 comes out or xmas comes. Either way, the fans will have some new GNR tunes when Santa comes.
thanks fam! santa needs to hurry the fuck up!
despite some of the sonic weirdness, this version of madagascar is great and was ready for release, imo.
it's clear that the shift of vision/sound from the sean beaven 2000 intensions album warranted some drastic changes with the existing songs. the raw, unpolished demos were re-worked to sound more modern, full and polished. this definitely improved some of the tunes -- there was a time being the strongest example, catcher being the worst. as cool as the '99 version sound of twat sounds, that song needed finck and bucket to elevate it. but i don't see how this version of madagascar needed to be re-worked -- yeah, the rhythm guitar is weird at times, but the song was ready to go, brother.
it's crazy to think that axl had a stack of madagascar demos with labels like "madagascar version #53 (w/ extended outro feedback)."
the guy spent the prime of his career re-doing guitar and bass tracks, yet only re-recorded vocals a few times throughout the process of making the album. for a perfectionist, he sure seemed to ignore his own work a majority of the time. it's okay to go full mickey on songs like rhiad, this i love and if the world, but sure... let's spend a few years trying to nail the drum sound of chinese democracy.
in any case, hearing new shit is always great. as far as cd 2001 era shit goes, i'd LOVE to hear the blues, chinese democracy and an early prostitute, if the latter 2 are even out there.
#218 Re: Guns N' Roses » melissa & brain perform sorry remix at nba halftime show » 409 weeks ago
If The World is a great remix. I love that shit.
That Sorry though....omg....i need the axl version!!
so an axl version exists?
#219 Re: Guns N' Roses » melissa & brain perform sorry remix at nba halftime show » 409 weeks ago
was this broadcast on tv? an hd version of the full thing would be really nice to have.
WOOOOOOOO!
they also played the if the world remix! the fuckin' cheerleaders did a whole little dance routine to it.
we are truly living in a bizarro world.
#220 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 409 weeks ago
Direct link or PM? how does this forum wish to proceed?
pm is best
i'll take one