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#2411 Re: Guns N' Roses » Would you lose respect for the band if they................. » 925 weeks ago
^ Nah i think the rerecording is more disrespectful...because its more enduring...a tour is only seen by those people who go...re-releasing a classic album messes with future generations who are exposed to the new one first...long after the band is too old to tour...its messing with history.
I wonder what 2 AFD songs they ditched for YCBM and Patience?
I thought it was Out Ta Get Me and Think About You.
But thinking about it more they played OTGM with the new lineup so maybe it was You're Crazy and Think about You.
#2412 Guns N' Roses » Classic Rock 100 Greatest Rock Songs & Alan Niven's Great 8 GN'R Songs » 925 weeks ago
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I just came accross this transcript from Sept Classic Rock magazine. (thanks goes to anythinggoes78 over at CD.com):
Each Band Has One Song Selected This Is GNR's
Welcome To The Jungle
Guns N Roses first manager, Alan Niven didnt go for an obscure Guns classic, he chose the song that put GN'R on the map: Welcome To The Jungle. " Despite the fact it was probably the weakest performance on the demo i recieved from Geffen, it was obvious this was a song that would be important to GN'R" says Niven. " I made that plainly known to their A&R man and to the band. The band duly 'nailed it' in the studio, Axl and Slash coming up Roses in particular".
" Chosen to be the first video, no-one was quite sure how to represent the song until i suggested we steal from three classic movies: Midnight Cowboy, (The Story of an innocent loose in the underbelly of New York), The Man Who Fell to Earth , (A Bowie movie about an alien trying to comprehend human behaviour), and Krubricks Clockwork Orange. Geffen wouldnt come up with the budget needed, so I 'piggy backed' the shoot on a Great White video Shoot using the same director and crew. Great White had already broken through with Rock Me. By using cameras and crew for four days we could spread the rental costs and expenses over four days, get discounts and get the Storyboard for .... Jungle Shot.
" Sent to MTV, .... Jungle was Ignored for six months. Just as it was at album radio stations. Still, word of mouth from the tours with The Cult, Alice Cooper and Motley Crue drove sales to 250000 albums. Geffen thought they would call it a good day for a debut album at that point. But there was enought belief in Guns in a number of key people that the video was given the slimmest of chances in an overnight showing.
" The response was instant and legendary. Geffen claimed all the creditfor the airplay, but many people pressed for the airtime - Geffen would demand that any and every video they made got played. Ultimately it got played because of the undenible groundswell that the band themselves had generated by making a brilliant record and touring behind it.
The Great Eight By Alan Niven
This is why GN'R worked so well together. Izzy had the eternal Rock 'N' Roll groove (he and keef are from the same mould); Steven Adler provided a vital exuberance despite being a less then technical drummer; Duffer locked it all - and Steven down; and Slash's slithering and laconic guitar played brilliantly against Axl's angst-ridden voice of sandpaper and molasses.
Their best songs? The following are those that would connect on one beat, no matter what frame of mind i was in:
1. Welcome To The Jungle
The anthem the whole world embraced: the helter skelter intro riff., the banshee howl from out of the shadows and darkness of paradise city lost. No-one has since topped this sonic mayhem. It is still the song used to raise the adrenaline and stir a crowd at any sporting contest. Take that one to heart.
2. Paradise City
The Magnificent sweep of sound that contains all the heart, soul and muscle of GN'R. Groove, power, attitude, lyricism, a serpentine middle eight guitar part and a truely demented and barely controllablecoda. Just huge.
3. Sweet Child O' Mine
All about the vocal and the lyric: 'Her hair reminds me of a safe place where as a child I'd hide' is so personal, particular and poetic that would be sufficient reason alone. But then Slash rose to the challenge of Axl's content and performance with his intro and solo.
4. Rocket Queen
The strength and swagger of this groove would be enough, but then the lyric demystifies the Axl enigma. Sex for powers sake? Grace 'n' love for gods sake. He Cared
5. Nightrain
The anthem the world missed; a great mythological lyric, and a sizzling guitar solo out that i still think ends far to soon.
6. Reckless Life - The Demo
Close your eyes and you are back to the autumn of 1986 and in The Troubadour. A blistering manifesto.
7. Dust N' Bones
Its so fucking Izzy. i love him and his vibe. 'Nuff said.
8. Its So Easy
The first single ever released. 'How do you like us now, fuckers?
Of course there are other terrific songs and moments. Civil War, for example, should be noted as a key moment when Axl shifted from LA sexual politics to social statesmanship and commentary. November Rain, on the other hand, as superb as it is, has always felt like an Axl solo track to me - the beginnings of Chinese Democracy.
Taken from the Sept 2008 Issue of Classic Rock now go buy it , any spelling mistakes are probably mine in the copying.
#2413 Re: The Garden » Can you believe this isn't real? » 925 weeks ago
I must be such a nerd, the first thing I thought of is how good video games are eventually going to look.
what does it make me, the first thing I thought was how big this will be in the porn industry. 
#2414 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR's 'Democracy' To Be Retail Exclusive? » 925 weeks ago
The guy isn't Azoff.
That impersonator seems to be in that chat room for looong periods of time. Im sure Azoff has better things.
Plus when I had a look a few days ago this clown was posting youtube vid links to stupid things. He also got sucked in making a comment about Irving - thinking it was another person. At least if the guy was going to impersonate Azoff he might want to learn what his own first name is.
#2415 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR's 'Democracy' To Be Retail Exclusive? » 925 weeks ago
Azoff's etc al complete over reaction to SR's leak (when we were gonna get it in a few weeks anyhow) when compared to all the other leaks is interesting.
Makes me think that there is not just SR floating around but possibly a lot more. This fear (and I have said it before) is possibly the only thing that could force Axl's hand. It's why I have wondered in the past if someone in or related to the GN'R camp or record company have intentionally leaked tracks to try and break the deadlock with Axl
If there is a real risk that the whole thing could just leak then $$ return from an offical release is obviously decimated.
They may just be pushing this thing out now as quickly as possible with this thought in mind.
#2416 Re: Guns N' Roses » Would you lose respect for the band if they................. » 925 weeks ago
Thinking about this some more I really think it's wrong for them to radically change the songs. If they are doing a cover of someone elses song (yes I know some people will argue they are coz they didnt write it), then by all means change it up and put your interpretation on it, I like that. I can think of quite a few different bands that have done covers that are just as good if not better than the original.
But doing it under the Guns N' Roses banner I think you should do it like the original. The only people that can play with the songs are the ones who wrote it in my opinion. The new guys can mess around with the stuff they wrote. Axl can change his vocal if he chooses because at the end of the day it's still Axl, but i don't like the others messing with it. Now this is where I feel for them because Axl has left the other members in quite an awkward situation when they have had to play a set heavy with AFD and not a lot of new stuff. Plus no new stuff has been released so there is nothing really they are changing up. They must get insanely board to if they didn't improvise a bit as well.
However, the reason I am so against it is just what Monkeychow and Machine24 said - the guitar lines are like lyrics. I believe once you release a song and share it with the world whether you like it or not you have a certain responsibility to your audience/listener. When you share a song and someone listens to it there is a certain connection you are making with the listener on an emotional level. Sure it's a different response that it evokes in different people, but you still arouse certain feelings and emotions.
You know when you listen to a song and it reminds you of a certain time - "like that summer when you hooked up with that chick on vacation" or that song you were listening to when "that bitch dumped you" etc etc. Messing with the song is messing with those feelings and memories, its a dangerous thing to do.
Just my 2 cents.
#2417 Re: Guns N' Roses » Would you lose respect for the band if they................. » 925 weeks ago
I would be curious to hear it but I wouldn't pay squat for it.
As a few others have said, it's just disrespectful. I see it no different to the original four members getting another singer and re-recording the album saying they never liked the way Axl's voice sounded on the original etc.
It would be a stupid move, it would be like Dark Side of the Moon being re-recorded with a bunch of hired musicians. Why would you screw with something that was so universally loved and critically acclaimed.
If this were to be offically released then this would be like a red rag to a bull for the critics and blow up in Axl's face badly. He would look like a total dick for doing it (if it's possible for people to think any worse of him than many already do).
If he really wants to re-record it and then release it, unfortuantely the only guys that he can do this with is the original 5 if he wants any level of acceptance of it.
#2418 Re: The Garden » What's your Porn Star/Stage Name?? » 925 weeks ago
Porn Star: Cleo Ramsey
Stage Name: Ramsey Knight
(Yeah my mums maiden name is my middle name hence the double up).
#2419 Re: Guns N' Roses » MSL's GnRSource interview transcript » 925 weeks ago
He is a wrestler for God's sake! I would imagine he can embellish quite alot.:laugh:
Nooooo - don't try and tell me that wrestling is fake, I simply won't believe it
#2420 Re: Guns N' Roses » MSL's GnRSource interview transcript » 925 weeks ago
I am new here, and i'd just like to ask, how credible is this guys information? i am aware that with any source of information there is guaranteed to be exaggerations and embellishments, but the alleged conversations with beta and her bashing of the hardcore fans etc, how much of that could actually be cited as bullshit, and how much of it truth. has this guy proven himself to be legitimate in the past?
any information would be greatly appreciated.
These conversations with Beta happened after MSL's first lot of leaks. He described them in posts at the time, but that seemed to go under the radar a bit. Now in the most recent interview he has just mentioned them again. We only have is word on the nature of the conversations but he did have a lot of contact with the GNR camp after the first lot of leaks.
The Beta bashing fans is actually well known outside of MSL's comments, she used to go onto HTGTH and rip into fans on the open forum as well as in PM's. I've read the ones that were on the open forum personally. You can still actually see some of her posts on HTGTH I think (assuming they haven't been deleted).
