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#241 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF » 655 weeks ago
polluxlm wrote:RaZor wrote:A guy I used to work with was a classically trained drummer, really into jazz, fusion, and prog rock. He hated Slash with a passion. In his words, ”that guy is terrible. Terrible!”. He then he went into a monologue about how he plays off key.
Now I don't know dick about music, other than I know that some I like and some I don't. I really like what Slash does. In fact I have almost 200 songs by him on my iPod, in a playlist I've since named ”terrible, TERRIBLE”.
But I wonder, is what my ex coworker said true? And if it is, why does it sound so good?
It's fact folks:
He complimented the guitar riff, but questioned the construction of the solo. "It just seems like Slash decided to play in A-minor or whatever key he wanted instead of doing what might be best for the song." - Dizzy Reed on Slither
Dizzy Reed is a joke.
This. What's next, Rikki Rockett will bash Jimmy Page?
Also, Dizzy's words don't mean Slash played out of key. You can choose different scales to write solo on a certain chord progression that would fit. The Slither solo is not out of key, for sure, although I think the chord progression doesn't come naturally from the main riff and the chorus. It's like an existing solo pasted into the song. Very CDish, if you ask me, so Dizzy should have no problem with that.
#242 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF » 656 weeks ago
That level? He's great and all, but he's still a pretty standard lead guitarist. There's nothing "special" going on. The importance you place on that doesn't make lyrics..and melodies..and arrangements any easier to write. A 50 inch flat screen is all well and good, but you'll need a living room in the first place, a place for that to fit in.
And as I said, the band agrees. Which is why they didn't hand out writing credits just for solos. I don't think many bands do.
You forget if it wasn't for Axl he never would have made SCOM into a song in the first place. That's how acute Slash is, he thought their biggest hit was a joke not worth recording. Nobody's disputing his uniqueness and greatness, we're simply saying outside GN'R there are no Comas, November Rains or Locomotives. If he's such a great writer (on his own) why is that?
Your ignorance is astonishing. You are acting like anyone could have been there playing lead and it wouldn't have mattered much. Slash made Guns N' Roses' sound, he was the most important musician. Without him, they would have sucked like Rapidfire.
I don't care that Slash didn't realize his SCOM's intro's potential when he wrote it. The others (not only Axl, but all of them) realized and that was important. But Slash WROTE that piece not the others. Big difference. Also, I don't hear Locomotive or Coma level epics on CD. I don't hear anything epic at all. Just a lot of sweat to make weak songs longer.
The band does not "agree" with you regarding the writing credits. That was only a method, when one of them became a dictator and another one wanted to quit. They found out a way to keep the band working, which meant that Axl and Izzy got overcredited. BTW anyone who thinks that the vocals in NR or Estranged are more melodic than the guitar solos, hence Axl deserves credit and Slash does not is delusional and deaf. Slash would deserve writing credit for much more UYI songs. What makes DTJ a fan favourite? Slash's amazing playing. What makes The Garden? Slash's slide guitar and powerful electric rhythm guitar. He'd even deserve credit for the KOHD cover, since his stuff makes that GN'R version, not Dylan's base chords. Never mistake legal shit with art.
#243 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF » 656 weeks ago
Mikkamakka wrote:I think most of GN'R's songs were so strong musically, that the lyrics and the vocal melody were only icing on the cake. Axl's stuff was unique and genius, no doubt, I don't wanna take away his credit, but Coma is a monster even without the words. It's not Alphaville we're talking about where the vocal melody drove the songs. In GN'R the guitars, mostly Slash's guitar was the driving force. I also think that Slash's (and Duff's) stuff was essential to the Axl's songs greatness.
And adding a solo to an existing song is a bit easier than adding lyrics, vocal melodies and perhaps arrangements to a riff and a solo. The band tend to agree.
Hell no! Guitar solos, I mean that level guitar solos and intros Slash did in GN'R, are more unique than great lyrics.
Take SCOM. Izzy wrote that stupid D-C-G-D chord progression that is a complete joke even for any secondary school band. A complete nonsense, a generic shit that was written a billion times already. But Slash wrote tht riff based on these stupid chords that became one of the most iconic guitar melody of all time. There starts greatness. Not singin' about blue sky and eyes.
Like it or not Slash is a unique guitarist, one of the most important and iconic players ever. He wrote all the important music, or made Izzy's Rolling Stones D-sides worthy or great. Without Slash, Guns N' Roses would have been Hollywood Rose II and none of us would be here to debate.
#244 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF » 656 weeks ago
Mikkamakka wrote:tejastech08 wrote:They didn't write November Rain and Estranged together. Axl wrote the songs on piano and Slash added some awesome guitar solos to them later. They didn't write the songs in the same room like they did with the Appetite material.
But Slash didn't write Coma in his room, right?
That's why I say bullshit. Axl obviously didn't write those songs from scratch to the complete version. Maybe he presented the full chord progression, although I think even that could have gone through some serious changes while they were working on them. I believe the same happened with others' (incl. Slash's) songs, too. So Coma is at least as much Slash's song as November Rain or Estranged is Axl's. That's my point.I don't know about Coma. I'm just saying Elton John didn't fall in love with November Rain because of the guitar solos, regardless of how good they might be. It was already a song without the guitar solos. Was Coma a song without lyrics and vocals? I don't know. I'm a fan of instrumental guitar rock, so perhaps it would work without lyrics and vocals. Would be interesting to hear it as just an instrumental.
I think most of GN'R's songs were so strong musically, that the lyrics and the vocal melody were only icing on the cake. Axl's stuff was unique and genius, no doubt, I don't wanna take away his credit, but Coma is a monster even without the words. It's not Alphaville we're talking about where the vocal melody drove the songs. In GN'R the guitars, mostly Slash's guitar was the driving force. I also think that Slash's (and Duff's) stuff was essential to the Axl's songs greatness.
#245 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF » 656 weeks ago
Mikkamakka wrote:Sorry, but it's ridiculous that Axl comes up with his bullshit regarding Coma, but he wrote November Rain, Estranged, Breakdown, Dead Horse etc. alone, right? The man who can't play guitar. They wrote those songs together. Period.
They didn't write November Rain and Estranged together. Axl wrote the songs on piano and Slash added some awesome guitar solos to them later. They didn't write the songs in the same room like they did with the Appetite material.
But Slash didn't write Coma in his room, right?
That's why I say bullshit. Axl obviously didn't write those songs from scratch to the complete version. Maybe he presented the full chord progression, although I think even that could have gone through some serious changes while they were working on them. I believe the same happened with others' (incl. Slash's) songs, too. So Coma is at least as much Slash's song as November Rain or Estranged is Axl's. That's my point.
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#247 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR security guard on " Free Beer and hot wings" » 656 weeks ago
In 2010 for the Porto Alegre show, that was scheduled to 9:30 PM and started only by 1:00 AM of the next day, by 10:00PM he was still in Sao Paulo having dinner with Ellen Jabour.
He left Sao Paulo around 11:30 PM and basically arrived in Porto Alegre at the stage. One of the opening acts basically left because of that, the other played only three songs, Baz played his normal set.
Everybody blamed Rio storm and bureaucracy for forensics, but later on the dinner news came out from Ellen herself.
Well, the Budapest show in 2006 was scheduled for 9:00 PM. They started to play the intro at 11:55 PM. The event's organizator later said that Axl arrived to the Budapest airport at 10:30 PM and a bunch of policemen secured his way to the arena to avoid the riot. Axl spent a bit more time in Milano than the band. Then he needed a little rest after the flight.
Axl does care about the fans.
#248 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF » 656 weeks ago
Like Axl pointed out, Slash didn't come in with Coma as is, that it took a lot of work and input to get it where it was. It's not even a song that Slash ever talks about, so I'm not so sure he's as open to epics as you might think.
Yeah, Axl's word is gospel, isn't it? He's a really reliable and honest guy, isn't he? It took him only two decades to remember correctly, while when Slash was in the band, Coma was "Slash's baby"?
Sorry, but it's ridiculous that Axl comes up with his bullshit regarding Coma, but he wrote November Rain, Estranged, Breakdown, Dead Horse etc. alone, right? The man who can't play guitar. They wrote those songs together. Period. Just one guy stole a ton of writing credits from the others and another was overcredited to make him stay in the band.
On the epic vs. straight forward songs debate. Yeah, Axl was the one who was pushing them to make huge epic songs. That was a good thing. But. As time proved it, without Slash all those Axl epics suck big time. Look at Chinese Democracy. He didn't have quality material to begin with, but blown up Catcher, that mediocre, Yesterdays-type 3 minute song to a 7-minute boredom. Chinese Democracy is the epitome of dreaming big, while not having the talent and working ethics needed to succeed.
#249 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR played Acoustic gig for Tommy Hilfiger in CA » 656 weeks ago
that snakepit album is awful....By The Sword is a good tune and is better than everything on either snakepit album...jmo
That Snakepit album is better than anything by any of them past 1991.
#250 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash's new video for "ANASTASIA" » 657 weeks ago
Song kicks ass. I'll bet we end up with another new Slash album before Guns.
One is not a big risk. I'd say at least two.