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#2711 Re: The Garden » BP's top kill effort fails to plug Gulf oil leak » 784 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

I'm starting to wonder how ruined the Gulf is??!   

I can forsee this possibly taking 6 months to up to a year before any oil stops leaking. Then there's still the remnants of the millions & millions of gallons of oil that are floating around IN IT.   Plus, what if/when it floats over around Florida & islands like Aruba, the Bahamas, Puerto Rico, South America, Cancun etc....

We're fucked.

There was a youtube video I watched the other day of the tide coming into Pensacola Florida. The ocean was bubbling like some sort of chemical reaction was taking place, and there was oil all over the sand. The beach was totally empty. A pristine white sand beach turned into a toxic waste dump. That story is going to be replayed out all over the place.

As far as Florida is concerned it can quite possibly ruin the entire state, from the pan handle to  the coral reefs of Key West, Miami, and all the way up back up the east coast. Reports coming in that they are already finding oil in Jacksonville which is on the Atlantic side.

#2712 Re: The Garden » BP's top kill effort fails to plug Gulf oil leak » 785 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

Here's my main issue with this fiasco....


From the nanosecond this started, priority number one should have been getting that oil to stop flowing, by ANY means necessary. No political posturing, no thumb twiddling, no game playing, no hearings,etc. Do that crap AFTER this has been dealt with.

Here we are two months later with an almost dead gulf and the oil is still flowing. They wont even let Americans go in and volunteer to help clean it up, deny the media full access, list goes on and on.

I'd imagine that they aren't allowing American volunteers to help clean the mess because of the toxicity of the spill itself. Workers have already been reporting a wide variety of ailments after coming into contact with this stuff.

I honestly don't believe that getting it capped hasn't been their priority, I simply don't think anybody knows how to get it done. To claim that Obama is simply sitting on his hands doing nothing is a stretch to say the least.


http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/site/2931/

* The administration has authorized the deployment of 17,500 National Guard troops from Gulf Coast states to respond to this crisis; to date, 1,612 have been activated.

* Approximately 33,000 personnel are currently responding to protect the shoreline and wildlife and cleanup vital coastlines.

* More than 6,300 vessels are currently responding on site, including skimmers, tugs, barges, and recovery vessels to assist in containment and cleanup efforts'”in addition to dozens of aircraft, remotely operated vehicles, and multiple mobile offshore drilling units.

* Approximately 2.44 million feet of containment boom and 3.87 million feet of sorbent boom have been deployed to contain the spill'”and approximately 544,000 feet of containment boom and 1.88 million feet of sorbent boom are available.

* Approximately 22.9 million gallons of an oil-water mix have been recovered.

* Approximately 1.36 million gallons of total dispersant have been applied'”931,000 on the surface and 436,000 subsea. More than 500,000 gallons are available.

* 244 controlled burns have been conducted, efficiently removing a total of more than 5.25 million gallons of oil from the open water in an effort to protect shoreline and wildlife.

* 17 staging areas are in place to protect sensitive shorelines.

* Approximately 59 miles of Gulf Coast shoreline is currently experiencing impacts from BP'™s leaking oil'”approximately 34 miles in Louisiana, four miles in Mississippi, nine miles in Alabama, and 12 miles in Florida.

* Approximately 80,800 square miles of Gulf of Mexico federal waters remain closed to fishing in order to balance economic and public health concerns. More than 66 percent remain open. Details can be found at http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov/.

* To date, the administration has leveraged assets and skills from numerous foreign countries and international organizations as part of this historic, all-hands-on-deck response, including Canada, Germany, Mexico, Netherlands, Norway, the United Nations'™ International Maritime Organization and the European Union's Monitoring and Information Centre.

#2713 Re: The Garden » BP's top kill effort fails to plug Gulf oil leak » 785 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:

I never bought into the whole recycling, global warming hippie crowd.  While they are busy worrying about that, someone is going to start a nuclear war because they were too busy fixing stupid shit to do anything to stop the real threat and none of that eco-friendly crap is going to matter.

My entire neighborhood recycles (we have recycle bins for twice a week.) These are hardly all "hippies". We've got military conservatives to lefty liberals on this street, and each recycle day the bins are out. Aside from the ecological aspect of it, it's simply an intelligent thing to do with finite resources. Choosing to be wasteful in any arena is foolish.

That's quite the pessimistic outlook you have on life there Debbie Downer; with that attitude why bother to do anything? 16

#2714 Re: The Garden » BP's top kill effort fails to plug Gulf oil leak » 785 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:
DCK wrote:

Anyway on another note, I cannot believe Obama has the balls to go up against BP. This could get him assassinated, BP are notorious for their treatment of obstacles/rivals

He got balls.

Please. If he had balls, that geyser would have been nuked two months ago. I do understand the hesitancy in doing it, but the option should have been on the table day one. We're probably gonna have to nuke it in the future anyways, so get all the ducks lined up so it can be done in three shakes of a lamb's tail.

You should think about what you're saying here. No other president that I can think of has been able to do something like this. That money (and it's just the start) is able to compensate businesses/families for their loss RIGHT NOW. The other option would be to do nothing and allow everybody to lawyer up, keeping this shit in court for twenty years before BP settled for pennies on the dollar.

I thought Republicans were all about "Country first"? Now they are bellyaching because Obama got BP to pony up 20 BILLION dollars for Americans?

Do we really need another blow to an already fragile economy?

As usual the GOP offer up nothing but sour grapes and no solutions. What have they done to raise money for the effected areas thus far?

Really it's a shame as this SHOULD NOT be a political event. However what I see as a national disaster/ecological tragedy, the GOP view as an opportunity to score political points and take cheap shots. Shame on them.

buzzsaw wrote:

Am I the only person that doesn't really care about this?  I think 3/4 of the environmental shit is just made up to make people feel better about themselves.  Disasters happened long before man came along.  I wonder if T-Rex covered tar pits boiling over on their newscasts...

Well besides the ecological ramifications, which you seem to be acutely unaware of, it will have a devastating effect on the local economies associated with the gulf areas, and again indirectly to the vendors etc that supply those businesses. Push one domino over and many more fall afterwards. It's hardly as simple as some birds getting oil on their feathers (which is bad in it's own right) or dead fish coming ashore.

#2715 Re: The Garden » BP's top kill effort fails to plug Gulf oil leak » 785 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

If you boycotted oil, you'd have to go back to the caveman days. Almost every product on the market is wrapped in oil's tight grip, so unless a technological breakthrough occurs, we're not giving up oil anytime soon.

While there are alternatives to oil, they simply aren't on a mass scale and cant be the successor to oil's throne.

This message is brought to you by oil, this computer is made by it, the tires on the semi that delivered our computers, food, clothing etc (also all made via oil) were made with it. It's endless.

That being said, I won't get any gas from BP, that's for damn sure. I did drive BP the other day and the place was half full. I can't believe so many people have a total disconnect here, especially in Florida, a state that may very well be ruined by this before we know it.

#2717 Re: Guns N' Roses » Dj Ashba and Dizzy Reed: "We're working on a new album" » 785 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:
russtcb wrote:
Gong wrote:

I think that a total lack of Slash killed the albums chance of success.

Not even close.

Actually he's right depending on how you're looking at it.  An album with Axl and Slash would have far outdone CD even if the music was somehow worse.

Yup.

#2718 Re: The Garden » BP's top kill effort fails to plug Gulf oil leak » 786 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

This crisis is something that is tailor made for someone that is apparently gravely concerned about the planet. Right now you could find Jimmy Hoffa before Gore.

That says much more about him than anything he's ever said on the issue.

I see, Al Gore's (perceived) silence is open for you to define, interpret, and then attack, gotcha. He's a private citizen who happens to be going through a divorce, I don't really think he's required to do much of anything.

#2720 Re: The Garden » BP's top kill effort fails to plug Gulf oil leak » 786 weeks ago

Stepvhen wrote:

Pure speculation. Gore does a lot of good in the world, I don't get the hate

Me neither. That's my point too, the guy has done work with global warming for three decades and probably didn't make any money from it until the last few. So to claim that his motive is money based seems far fetched. He even donated his peace prize money to top it off.

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