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#2791 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:slcpunk wrote:And kicked the Russians out of America immediately.
You know what else happened immediately when Trump took office? He wanted to re-open that same Russian compound, much to the chagrin of everybody at his side. (That article was posted here btw, ignored by the "conservatives.")
Notice though, as I said, how they both totally ignore that story and go to their usual shticks.
No, Truther. We don't want to look like an asshole like you did for months, making assumptions. A report was made, I'll wait for someone to provide an illegal action, and not just mere speculation. Why don't you find another YouTube video written by a fellow college drop out that puts your conspiracy in a kid friendly format.
Your own party has abandoned this tripe. Maybe you should follow suit, and wait for actual evidence. But continue to embarrass yourself. Your idiotic postings are one of the pleasures I look forward to each day. Every day it's like "How fucking stupid can SLC be today?" And every day you don't disappoint. I'm sure you'll be posting under Bud Fox soon enough, completing the retard circle.
You said there was no investigation and cried about it. End.
I said Trump was never under investigation, contrary to what you and the Truther repeatedly said. I was right.
#2792 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:Your own party has abandoned this tripe. Maybe you should follow suit, and wait for actual evidence.
Well, the most recent evidence is pretty glaring imho. On Saturday, Donny Trump Jr said "The meeting I had with the Russian attorney was about the US-Russian adoption policy" (Yeah, nice deflection bro, what next, cute little Russian Siberian Husky puppies too?). Then, on Sunday he changed his story to "I was told the meeting would be about news that could help us. I attended and the Russian attorney briefly mentioned something about the emails and DNC affilitiation, but then it quickly turned into what it was mainly about, the US-Russian adoption policy (& puppies). And my Daddy had no knowledge of it"
Lame. Repubs are jumping ship from these dolts.
If he broke the law, prosecute him. If he betrayed his country, charge him with Treason. It's that simple. But this continued narrative of "let's find any thread we can and hypothesize a story behind it" is fucking lame. You're only aware of this because the government is turning over every stone. Why don't you wait for them to make an accusation before the people who've never set foot in the white house, pentagon, capitol building or supreme court conjure up theories on what could happen. You guys are as bad as the National Enquirer or whatever tabloid magazine runs a story on why Jennifer Aniston is or isn't pregnant this week.
Like Comey said, those who actually know shit have a tendency to keep their mouths shut and not seek out airtime.
#2793 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
This is what I'm saying. Deflect, deflect, deflect.
Donny Jr. himself admitted to meeting a Kremlin connected lawyer to get dirt on Hillary before the election. How much more "proof" do you need?
A patriotic American would have called the state department or FBI, not run out to meet with the Russians.
What the fuck is illegal about that? Democrats had no problem getting a dossier from an alleged British Intelligence Agent on Trump. Being told "Hey, I have some dirt on Clinton" isn't the same as "We have hacked the DNC and illegally acquired some information we'd like your help on how to use." You want it to be the latter and completely ignore the possibility of the former.
I don't know what happened. Neither do you. I'm not going to be an asshole and post crazy conspiracies. You are, and you do. We both know weeks from now when this is nothing, as has been every other story you've creamed over, you'll deny even posting it.
If you care about Russian meddling so much, why aren't you demanding your party turn over their fucking server, you know, the most important piece of evidence. It's because you don't care about Russia. You don't give a fuck if we punish them for fucking with us. You only want to create chaos to diminish Trump. That's always been your end goal. You're not a patriot. You haven't done a fucking thing for your country, and we both know you'd sell it out in a heart beat for minor personal gain.
I don't care what you think anyone should do, because you're about as unhinged and unstable as they come. You think your own government killed 3k of its own citizens and was somehow able to keep the hundreds of people involved to create such a conspiracy silent. You live for this conspiracy shit.
I'm going to be the adult and wait for the actual evidence and not fabricate stories or motives in my mind. I'm not nearly as creative as you are.
#2794 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
PaSnow wrote:For starters he placed sanctions onto Russia.
And kicked the Russians out of America immediately.
You know what else happened immediately when Trump took office? He wanted to re-open that same Russian compound, much to the chagrin of everybody at his side. (That article was posted here btw, ignored by the "conservatives.")
PaSnow wrote:I think that story is going to get big. And a bit of a turning point in all this. House & Senate seem to all be sorta jumping ship from the Trumps..
Notice though, as I said, how they both totally ignore that story and go to their usual shticks.
No, Truther. We don't want to look like an asshole like you did for months, making assumptions. A report was made, I'll wait for someone to provide an illegal action, and not just mere speculation. Why don't you find another YouTube video written by a fellow college drop out that puts your conspiracy in a kid friendly format.
Your own party has abandoned this tripe. Maybe you should follow suit, and wait for actual evidence. But continue to embarrass yourself. Your idiotic postings are one of the pleasures I look forward to each day. Every day it's like "How fucking stupid can SLC be today?" And every day you don't disappoint. I'm sure you'll be posting under Bud Fox soon enough, completing the retard circle.
#2795 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:What do you think Obama would have done differently in the meeting? Considering he didn't do shit during the actual election. I am sure both Obama and Trump told him not to do it again but we also aren't going to go to war over it either.
For starters he placed sanctions onto Russia.
What effect did those have? Did it stop him from taking Crimea? Attempting to hack our election systems? He drew a red line in the sand too. And did dick all, because some of you still think talking is the same thing as doing. You elected an academic as your President. What's the old saying, "Those who can, do. Those that can't, teach." He talked, but he never did anything of substance.
But we can't talk about that. Never talk about Obama. Truthers have piss tapes and conspiracies to masturbate too.
#2796 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
If you had actually read my post, I blamed Joe Lieberman for screwing up the bill. I've actually mentioned it before, but you have such a hard on to call people retards, attack democrats, or whastever trip you're on in defending Trump and bashing Obama, that it goes over your head. But, alas, you ignored that. I quoted an article that backed up what I said, you're happy to point out other stuff in that article, but for some strange reason you keep skipping that. The republicans refused to come to the table if there was a public option. Lieberman supported the GOP so they had to drop it. So, again, I asked the question,vwhy even involve them when they wouldn't even vote for the bill. And again, IS LIEBERMAN REALLY EVEN A DEMOCRAT. You forgot about part obviously.
You have also never acknowledged, ever, the fact Republicans chipped away at the bill. One of the reasons premiums soared. You refuse to acknowledge this. That's what makes your opinion shit. You just keep being a drama queen about Rubio without ever admitting what he did. You are the partisan hack here, bud.
As compared to the bill they're doing now, which literally has ZERO democrats working on it, where they haven't been allowed to contribute, then turn around and complain Democrats are working with them. Birds of a feather.
This is what you said:
It wasn't bad per se, but it got turned to into chop suey, a lot of it because of Lieberman, but was he ever really a Democrat? The guy was/is a cunt and one reason I refused to vote for Gore.
They gave in to too many Republican concessions who ended up not even voting for the bill.
I asked you to explain the concessions. You didn't, you haven't, you can't There were no concessions. But continue to call me a liar. I never denied the Democrats could have passed single payer. I said just that, the Democrats couldn't rally themselves behind single payer. Ergo, the Republicans never stopped them from doing anything. They couldn't agree to a plan, just like the GOP can't now. So because it was sink or swim, Reid combined bills no one had time to read and they passed it all on their own, using reconciliation. There never was a single GOP concession. That's what we were talking about. It's always been.
You can't support your claim of GOP concessions, because there were none. The only concessions were to members of the Democrats own party to get a bill they all could live with. Own it. But don't call me a fucking liar because you can't defend your talking point you've always just assumed was true, and didn't actually look into until I challenged you.
#2797 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:Did only 2 good things and I would argue really only one: GOT RID OF PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
IT DID NOTHING TO REGULATE ABUSE. NOTHING. In fact abuse is worse now than ever. It did nothing to reward a healthy life style. It did nothing to punish the unhealthy lifestyle people so that they have incentive financially to get healthy. It made rates for self employeed people (like me) sky rocket. Pre Obama care here were my increases: $135, 151, 181, 183 per month. Yes it increased but nothing crazy. I now pay for a shittier insurance over $400 per month lol. That is over $2,600 more per year for no fucking reason at all. Lol. So for me, I pay more, and get less. My deductible and all that shit is higher now than when I was at $183. Lol.
Dude, don't waste your breath. ID still thinks Republicans helped write Obamacare, citing a figure his own politifact article said was false. There's no reasoning with these people. Mitch and SLC are bonafide on meds, but as my grandfather used to say, "you run around with shit, it's bound to rub off."
Just ignore them. They're not even honest in what they believe and will ignore their own quotes about what they said. They just want to argue and believe everything Barry did was awesome and Trump is incapable of doing anything right.
Lyin Randy strikes again. I never said they helped him write the bill. Goddamn you're a HUGE liar. I did not quote anything false, to the contrary, the article was about exaggerated figures, but not the fact that republicans added over one hundred amendments, which you continue to lie about them existing. You're such a liar you asked me to name one amendment and one congressman that added anything to the bill. I did, and you're little Lyin mind couldn't handle it.
I like Barry, and Trump hasn't done anything right. But you're both liars, so you got that in common.
You're so fucking disingenuous and dishonest. I don't know why I fucking bother, but here it goes. You said Obamacare failed because of too many concessions to Republicans. I call bullshit, and challenge you to name a single concession or show any republicans that worked to draft the bill.
You come back with a cherry picked article from Politifact, that outright says Obama's claim of 700+ republican amendments is false. You then try to claim a Republican worked on a bill, ignoring the fact he left and called it a fucking "Democratic" bill because they wouldn't listen to a single one of his ideas. That's your sleazy way of trying to claim some technical accuracy since a Republican tried to sit in a room, that it somehow shows it was bipartisan. Completely fucking ignoring that not a single Republican idea was used, completely negating any sense of bi-partisanship. HE WALKED THE FUCK AWAY BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T BE BIPARTISAN! Are you that fucking stupid or a fucking egotistical prick that you are so dubious in your bullshit fucking claim that anyone but Democrats wrote, voted on, and own that fucking bill.
Then to be even more fucking stupid, completely undercutting your original claim "too many concessions made to Republicans" (YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE FUCKING REASON WE STARTED THIS LINE OF DISCUSSION), you try to say that because an alleged 156 amendments were adopted, that shows bipartisanship. EXCEPT YOU SKIP THE PART OF THE ARTICLE THAT SAYS THAT'S ALSO BULLSHIT, BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS FOR THE MOST EGREGIOUS ERRORS. ALL BUT 2 PASSED WITH UNANIMOUS CONSENT BECAUSE THEY WERE NON-CONTROVERSIAL AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FUCKING SETUP OF THE LAW." The article says they were technical amendments, that were unanimously passed. THERE WAS NO FUCKING CONCESSION, BECAUSE THEY NEVER VOTED ON ANY OF THE AMENDMENTS that actually changed the bill.
So I'll ask your dipshit ass one more final fucking time, "WHAT CONCESSIONS DID THE DEMOCRATS GIVE TO REPUBLICANS THAT MADE THE BILL BAD!" Call out the fucking change to the bill that Republicans magically got Democrats to accept that broke the bill.
You said too many republican concessions fucked the bill. Be an intelligent adult and admit you were fucking wrong, or shut the fuck up. No one who isn't a complete fucking moron understands that your argument is bunk, partisan horseshit.
And that says nothing to the 9/11 Truther (remember guys, he really believes the US government killed 3k of its own people so Bush could go to war. This is who he is. No different than a disgusting bigot protesting interracial marriage or cheering on people's funerals) who is so fucking dense, he can't accept that the Democrats wrote a bad fucking bill in the dead of night and passed it in the sleaziest way possible. Clinton and Chicago politics at its finest. Too fucking stupid to realize you can't blame Rubio for not agreeing to the band-aid fix Democrats wanted to pass after their fucked up bill started to fail.
"It's all the fucking Republicans' fault." These two dipshits don't understand their party wrote the bill, their president used an illegal use of executive power to delay the bad parts from kicking in, and now it is ruining healthcare because their grand social experiment failed. WHen idiots repeat this garbage, tell them to fuck off and pick up a real newspaper.
Rather than facts, they deflect, move goal posts, deny what they've said, and resort to calling you a liar. They're intellectually bankrupt and still too fucking stupid to realize that's why they and their party are out of fucking power at virtually every level of American government. The people caught on to bullshit. And these guys are full of it.
#2798 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
misterID wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:Trump will emerge clean from the Muller investigation.
Obama Care is a debacle, but we need to fix. There needs to be accountability. Obama Care had no accountability what so ever.
You have no idea what you're a talking about. Yes, it needs to be fixed but it did a lot of good. So, let's not ignore that.
Did only 2 good things and I would argue really only one: GOT RID OF PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
IT DID NOTHING TO REGULATE ABUSE. NOTHING. In fact abuse is worse now than ever. It did nothing to reward a healthy life style. It did nothing to punish the unhealthy lifestyle people so that they have incentive financially to get healthy. It made rates for self employeed people (like me) sky rocket. Pre Obama care here were my increases: $135, 151, 181, 183 per month. Yes it increased but nothing crazy. I now pay for a shittier insurance over $400 per month lol. That is over $2,600 more per year for no fucking reason at all. Lol. So for me, I pay more, and get less. My deductible and all that shit is higher now than when I was at $183. Lol.
Dude, don't waste your breath. ID still thinks Republicans helped write Obamacare, citing a figure his own politifact article said was false. There's no reasoning with these people. Mitch and SLC are bonafide on meds, but as my grandfather used to say, "you run around with shit, it's bound to rub off."
Just ignore them. They're not even honest in what they believe and will ignore their own quotes about what they said. They just want to argue and believe everything Barry did was awesome and Trump is incapable of doing anything right.
#2799 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
Please refrain from using racial slurs for whatever purpose or point you are trying to make
What? It's not cool for a self professed Democrat and White Male to use the "N" word? Color me shocked. But based off the DNC hacks and the last 200 years of the Democratic party, I assure you Mitch isn't the first white Democrat to use that comment behind closed doors or behind the anonymity of the internet.
#2800 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
Black Jesus is kinda a tautology.
He was middle eastern:
http://www.newstatesman.com/sites/defau … k=S1LqXHGx
Just saying
Yea, I see so many "black features" on that jesus. Have you seen a black person? The idea that the historical jesus would be considered "black" by modern standards is only said by those who think anyone without white skin is black. No african features on that jesus at all.
You do recognize "black" people come from Africa? And that the historical jesus was born in the Middle East, which is in Asia?

