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#2901 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 467 weeks ago
I think what folks want to know is what is the crime or actual allegation being made that we should be so worried about. This has been being lot at since last August. And still nothing. As of now there is nothing. That is true. Something could be discovered, sure. But right now there is NOTHING.
That's been my argument for the past 6 months. Put forth a provable or disprovable claim with an appropriate level of evidence. "BUT KUSHNER MET WITH SOMEONE I ASSUME HE SHOULDN'T HAVE" isn't an argument, nor is it even an allegation that deserves attention. You first have to demonstrate why the meeting was illegal/unethical and what was discussed in the meeting that was illegal/unethical. Saying "He had a meeting with someone, so something bad must have happened" isn't an argument. It's blind hatred for all things Trump.
The left has completely moved on from the important issue, Russia fucking with our election (again the DNC refused to let the FBI look at their servers to get evidence to strengthen and understand what happened, but no assumption of coverup from our "Fuck Trump" friends) and has moved on to story mode about Trump or his cohorts working in some illegal fashion. It's almost as if everything Obama and Clinton said about Russia in 2008 and 2012 is a real portrayal of their opinions on Russia and the fabricated scandal is just a ploy to hamstring Trump.
When Chris Matthews said he "had chills" running up his leg listening to Obama speak, that was a perfectly objective media piece. Obama refusing to admit Fox News was perfectly acceptable. But Trump calling out the guys who spend 90%+ of their time trashing him is somehow an attack against a free press. Completely disingenuous.
#2902 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 467 weeks ago
Who the fuck is John Sununu?
Blind support of Donald Trump is just that, blind support
And blind hatred is just that, blind hatred. No one here is giving Trump blind support. Quite a few have blind hatred.
#2903 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 467 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:And a million impeachment types suddenly went silent
Again, what does that even mean?
He's doing the same thing you are: Attacking a false premise. IE, the reporter(s) are clinging to conspiracy theories and have arrived at some conclusion, which isn't the case. They are reporting on the investigations, and breaking news stories (which happen almost daily at this point.)
Context is everything. Trump defenders dismiss each new story as if it's the only one. When in fact we've got dozens of issues piling up on top of one another.
It means exactly what the video said. You folks have continually moved the goal post and you have nothing to support your wild accusations. You've fallen victim to a media and narrative that reports on if Trump wipes his ass sitting or standing and hypothesizes about what it could mean. We've gone from knowing treason was committed, to asking for a special investigator, to demanding impeachment, to "I don't know what he did, but he did something". There's never an end state. It's perpetual bitching. And worse, it's perpetual bitching about things the left outright supported with Obama. Total hypocrisy and disingenuous behavior.
If anyone thinks Trump or anyone he associated with did something illegal that prohibits him from being President, put forth an argument. That's what the video is saying. You guys want to shine a light on everything and when you find out Trump only tipped his waiter 14%, it becomes a major news story and everyone palavers on what the true meaning is. "Smoke and fire" is an intellectually lazy way to justify irrational and unproven claims.
He's the President. The Republicans won congress. Get used to 2-4 years of the GOP enacting laws that they think will help America. You're free to disagree and claim they're harming the country, just as I felt as Obama fucked up every foreign policy initiative for 8 years (BUT BUT BUT, EUROPEAN LEADERS LOVED HIM!).
I don't dismiss every story. I told you the whole firing Comey thing was a mistake. I think he fucked up bombing Syria. I think he needs to get rid of twitter. But none of that is illegal and a 400 word essay based on an anonymous source from an editorial board that cheers when their story gets traction and counts themselves as part of "the resistance" isn't definitive evidence.
Trump's going to finish his term. He's going to get better. And for better or worse, the Democratic party is still fucked. They couldn't even win a seat in Montana where their candidate dressed like a cowboy and the Republican assaulted a reporter the day before. "Fuck Trump" and Identity Politics isn't a political platform. Until that lesson is learned, Republicans and Trump are going to continue marching along.
#2904 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 467 weeks ago
And a million impeachment types suddenly went silent
#2905 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 467 weeks ago
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s … ne-n766311
Chalk one up for the good guys who still believe America and its citizens are worth defending.
#2906 Re: Guns N' Roses » Did the 5/25 Announcement live up to the hype? POLL » 468 weeks ago
haha, great poll
#2907 Re: Guns N' Roses » Facebook Announcement » 468 weeks ago
Neemo wrote:The same shit has been happening for 12 years...
It's no good expecting more than the minimum...sometimes it's not even worth it to expect the minimum...otherwise u will just be disappointed
Not sure why this particular incident is the straw that broke the camel's back...we all figured a 2nd US leg was coming...now it's confirmed...yay
You guys are the same ones that say it is the woman's fault for getting raped cause she is hot and she should expect it...
Heaven forbid fans expect something cool after that fucking hype video which focuses on many GNR landmark achievements!! Like, acting like a normal fan(atic) is a bad thing I guess in the GNR world... Sorry I acted as a normal fan. I should as other have said, act like a fan that has fallen victim to Stockholm Syndrome where after years of abuse you begin to feel loyal and sorry for your abuser which is common among people who are abducted...
You aren't going to boil Axl's pet rabbit soon are you? lol
#2908 Re: Guns N' Roses » Facebook Announcement » 468 weeks ago
Maybe they can finish a song that went into the vault before the breakup in 96.
#2909 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 468 weeks ago
You're having a meltdown. Your throwing in political tangents about dems in totally unrelated subjects that I don't even read anymore. You're getting way too personal and you're applying things to us that are just not true.
Yes, I believe he'll be impeached or resign, but I have no idea what will cause it.
So none of you claimed there was Russian collusion. That's the official story now? Just to clarify.
SLC isn't going to pop in and call me a liar when the guy is quoted advocating collusion. I told this would happen and it's why I didn't want to discuss Russia. None of you can defend your positions. So now you're claiming you didn't claim Trump or his staff worked with Russia.
Now you're saying Trump will be impeached, but you don't know why. That's not an argument. But at least we're moving in the right direction.
Maybe someday you'll be able to argue a position and point to proven allegations. Not anonymous sources.
Don't be dishonest about what you've posted and then attack my integrity for calling you out on it. At least Mitch owns his arguments and doesn't lie that he never said something. I at least respect sticking to your guns.
#2910 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 468 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:Quit saying I'm fucking lying.
Well then quit lying about user's positions....liar.
Randall Flagg wrote:Also hysterical how you left out Brennan said "I found no evidence to support collusion". I guess that's why you guys keep moving the goal post.
You're still wrong/lying. He said he didn't know, and that evidence wasn't his job.
I don't know whether or not such collusion -- and that's your term, such collusion existed. I don't know. But I know that there was a sufficient basis of information and intelligence that required further investigation by the bureau to determine whether or not U.S. persons were actively conspiring, colluding with Russian officials.
And again, this isn't strictly about collusion. Who is lying here? Liar.
Randall Flagg wrote:So who's the fucking liar?
What are you trying to prove with those quotes? Again, it's me talking about MSM reports on this entire debacle. That's it.
This is what happens when you defend a loser like Trump. You have to twist yourself around in knots trying to get out of it. The way you do that is trying to discredit other users by lying about their positions, arguing over talking points that have nothing to do with the subject matter and making false equivalencies. At this point I have to believe it's more of a tactic than anything else. You don't want to hear about Trump, can't stand it, so you start side fights with everybody else.
Go fuck yourself man. You're a fucking clown. You're so fucking dense you deny your own posts. I really did enjoy conversing with you, but you're back to your Bud Fox bullshit. Im sure you'll be posting photos of me on the forums again and telling lies about me hanging outside your house, or threatening to sue me because I called you by your real name.
At least Mitch acknowledges he's partisan and wants chaos. Anyone besides our resident IRA member knows you're full of shit.
Randall Flagg wrote:Do you know what Obstruction of Justice means? Obviously not...
This is armchair lawyer non sense from some guy on a message board.
I'll tell you who knows what Obstruction of Justice is, Jill Wine-Banks the former Watergate prosecutor. She said what Trump did was "Completely illegal."
Don't worry. In a few weeks you'll deny you claimed this too. That's the benefit of being more eratic than you claim Trump is.
