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#2951 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 469 weeks ago
#2952 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 469 weeks ago
Apparently the Times is reporting that Trump tried to make Comey stop the Flynn investigation.
See, that is plausible. Claiming Trump fired Comey to make the investigation into him go away isn't.
#2953 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 469 weeks ago
You do realize they will not give up evidence until the investigation is over, which could take a really long time, right? I've said that I don't expect him to have directly worked with Putin. What I believe is that people on his campaign did so on his behalf and now he's making moves to obstruct the investigation. He could be completely innocent in the initial conspiracy but his stupidity is tying him into it.
There are right wingers who are convinced he will be impeached over Russian money laundering, but I have no clue what evidence they say is going to explode so I haven't mentioned it here. This on the other hand is enough in plain sight for me to see that I think there was collusion and now obstruction.
Right, and anyone with actual ties to the investigation has denied that anyone in Trump's campaign coordinated with Putin. Did Flynn take money in an unrelated endeavor, possibly. But no one with an ounce of credibility or knowledge has said there's any evidence ANYONE on Trump's campaign coordinated in any capacity with Russia.
Yea, Watergate took a year. They also didn't have computers and data forensic evidence. The FBI is looking into Russia's involvement in our election. A small part of that investigation included a cursory glance at Trump's campaign and NOTHING has been found or leaked suggesting anyone did anything illegal in this capacity. The MO of the left is to blur the line of the actual FBI investigating into Russia and make it about Trump.
Trump didn't fire Comey to cover anything. It's an absurd and ridiculous argument to make. No one who doesn't have a (D) next to their name and a camera in front of them have even suggested it. Pelosi herself told her townhall that impeaching Trump isn't going to happen because the man hasn't done anything illegal.
I'm sorry you don't see it, but your devotion to this conspiracy is entirely partisan and stems from your disdain for the man. You're the birther dude.
#2954 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 469 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:misterID wrote:You're actually comparing the two? Seriously?
Yes. The amount of evidence to support either claim is entirely circumstantial. Those advocating a position for either are entirely partisan.
No, not even close.
Russians helped his election.
He refuses to criticize Putin or accept Russian involvement in the hacks.
Putin arranged white house meeting.
Trump agrees to meeting with enemy who just cyber attacked our country for his benefit.
Trump fired lead investigator into his Russia ties.
His campaign had dealings with Russia and lied about it.
Trump contradicts American intelligence agencies over Russia.Compared to...
Randall's weak ass, lame ass attempt to compare a nothing story with no evidence.
I'm not saying on their face they're equal. I'm saying that after 9 months and anyone with any credibility calling Trump's involvement a complete bullshit story, anyone peddling the "TRUMP WORKED WITH PUTIN" narrative is no different than the yahoo claiming Clinton clipped an intern. If you're still convinced Trump collaborated with Putin, you're not relying on evidence.
#2955 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 469 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:misterID wrote:You're actually comparing the two? Seriously?
Yes. The amount of evidence to support either claim is entirely circumstantial. Those advocating a position for either are entirely partisan.
But if our president operates in this manner (as he currently is) then why do we all have to take the high road?
Trump created this game. He said false things through out his whole campaign. He says intentionally false things as president. Because he won the election, he set that precedent.
You can see it in all the things he's attacking. He uses falsehoods to create motivation to eliminate the EPA. Perception is reality, and he tries to create and fabricate perception. The best part about his strategy is that you can create perception out of thin air. It doesn't have to be based in facts.
I've been trying to convince you of this over the past 5 months since he won. His ability to completely fabricate an alternate universe and get people to buy into it is how he won. His ability to get people to think that "if this didn't happen....we'd all be better off...." If there weren't any Mexicans here, the jobs would be available. "if Obama wasn't such a fuck up, none of these problems would exist." "If you know how to negotiate, you'll get everything you want."
It's all stupidly absurd but that's where we're at...he's not dealing in facts and I believe that in order to beat him, you have to play that game with him.
I'm not saying take the high road. Call Trump a fucking moron who can't stand it if anyone who reports to him gets more media attention than him. Call out how embarrassing it is that our leader spends more time on Twitter than he does meeting with members of congress. Or anything else you deem concerning. I'm just saying "you" can't make shit up and claim it's true based on hearsay.
What Trump is doing isn't new. Clinton did it, Obama did it and every other politician since the radio has done it. They have an agenda, they cite stories or examples that support it, and hand waive those that don't. How many people from a Muslim background have immigrated to the US since 1990. I don't have a clue, but I'm sure it's in the millions. But less than 50 have ever harmed anyone in the name of Allah. When Democrats talk about guns, what guns do they pull out and use as an example? Assault weapons. What percent of gun crime is committed with an assault weapon? Less than 1%. Sure you can name a dozen shooters over the past 30 years that have used a 30 round magazine to inflict harm, but those account for a statistically insignificant amount of shooters. We're talking 1000th of a percent, if that.
And what do you think the media and Democrats are doing? Name one news organization outside of Fox who might as well be considered a government propaganda tool at times, who has ran a positive story on Trump. You're telling me that in 4 months, nothing can be written from a positive point of view? Everyday it's a new crisis. Yes, the Republicans and Fox were complete dipshits at times under Obama, just as the Democrats were under Bush. But we've progressively gotten worse and I don't know where the boiling point is. The amount of hysteria over Trump is unprecedented. Minus the media, if Clinton had won, Ryan and McConnell would be doing the same thing Pelosi and Schumer are doing now. Do you think the GOP would have quickly voted on all of her nominees? I don't. I don't think it would have been full on obstruction, but a few of her picks would have been shot down. That's why i voted for her. I knew that the GOP wasn't losing congress and hoped they'd take their stand on her SCOTUS nominee. Then she could have governed from the middle and found moderate Republicans and Democrats to largely support her agenda.
Instead we have Trump who regardless of his position or comments, is portrayed as a fucking idiot on every topic. Despite Atari's disbelief, I had some very candid conversations at the White House Saturday. None of them had a clue Comey was let go. They found out the same way we did, through the news. There are genuine problems that I think could be resolved if it wasn't a constant cry from Chicken Little everyday. But the hysteria from the left creates one loud bellow that prevents any real attention being given to any event. We've moved on from Comey to Trump sharing intel with Russia. What will happen tomorrow that will change the story once again?
#2956 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 469 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/254852337-story
I believe Clinton killed him. I don't have any facts, but I know it in my heart. Where there's smoke there's fire. Wikileaks reported a DNC staffer was the source of the leaks. The DNC refused to let the FBI look at their servers knowing that vital information would have been collected.
No, I don't believe any of that. Just showing you how ridiculous it sounds.
You're actually comparing the two? Seriously?
Yes. The amount of evidence to support either claim is entirely circumstantial. Those advocating a position for either are entirely partisan.
#2957 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 469 weeks ago
Guys, we're all forgetting about Benghazi
This is how you and others sound constantly claiming Trump worked with Putin.
#2958 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 469 weeks ago
http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/254852337-story
I believe Clinton killed him. I don't have any facts, but I know it in my heart. Where there's smoke there's fire. Wikileaks reported a DNC staffer was the source of the leaks. The DNC refused to let the FBI look at their servers knowing that vital information would have been collected.
No, I don't believe any of that. Just showing you how ridiculous it sounds.
#2959 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 469 weeks ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na … story.html
Are you fucking kidding me. You know, no matter how much I hate Trump I don't like bringing up impeachment, as it usually comes off as extremely petty...but if this is true, impeach him. Now.
I'm all about holding Trump accountable for his stupidity. But he's the one person who gets to bypass classification and sharing policies. No other person in government can decide when something should be shared or declassified besides him without a vigorous process. Feel free to criticize his decision making, but this isn't the same as any other person handling classified information.
“The president and the foreign minister reviewed common threats from terrorist organizations to include threats to aviation,” said H.R. McMaster, the national security adviser, who participated in the meeting. “At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed, and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly.”
#2960 Re: The Garden » 2017 Predictions » 469 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:https://ca.news.yahoo.com/frances-macro … iness.html
Macron picks a Conservative PM. The left and socialists are completely defeated in France. But will still argue that the left has any power in Western Politics. I guess we'll see how the socialists/progressives do in Germany.
Wtf...look at you spiking that football again and again.
You didn't acknowledge macrons win but you acknowledge his appointments.
You take an obvious amount of pleasure in confirmation bias. I just wish you were half as smart as you are an antagonist.
Not at all. But Macron wasn't part of the left. He ran as an outsider and a centrist. His opponent was the daughter of a nazi sympathizer.
My point/prediction was that "leftist" leaders would continue to lose in western countries in favor of "conservative" candidates. A centrist outsider was elected and just appointed a "conservative" PM.
It's a loss for progressive politics no matter how you cut it. I expect a similar outcome in Germany. Granted, she's already "conservative", but I'll bet she backs away from her open door refugee policies as we get closer to election. If she loses to the socialist, I'll be wrong.
No matter which way you cut it, "liberal" leaders are losing in all of the world powers.
