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#291 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 290 weeks ago
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/presid … -to-debate
This is sleazy, but he did it in 16 to remind everyone Clinton stood behind her husband’s sleaze. It kind of worked in terms of neutering Clinton’s attacks.
My understanding are the Hunter Biden photos and accusations of smoking crack and fucking whores are true. I’ve not seen anyone say they’re fabricated. The DNI said it ain’t from Russia.
None of that means Biden did a fucking thing wrong. No one’s been able to provide any evidence of actual wrong doing. But if the back hallway handshakes happened (what father wouldn’t want to help his son impress someone else), it looks dirty. Democrats just spent 3 years running Trump through the mud on Russia and produced dick. I guarantee you sick Mueller on Biden’s associates and family, the crack pipe and Moscow prostitutes is just the icing on the cake.
If Trump wins tonight and shows the world Biden is not up to this challenge and they’re really putting in Harris and DNC handlers, maybe he can eek out a win. He’s within the margin of error with most states he needs. I don’t think it’s likely today, but I didn’t in 16 either. If people are fed up with the lockdown and covid deaths on a population overwhelmingly nursing home residents in extreme age, maybe Wisconsin and Pa break for Trump.
I just don’t think Trump can handle a formal debate. He’ll yell over Biden’s microphone. I think tonight will be a disaster and the door will swing shut on Trump.
I don’t really think it’s a sleazy move. It sure is lazy though. This is his debate plan. Hunter Biden 100%. He did no debate prep which tells you all you really need to know. He’s gonna be Trump. He’s not prepared to answer questions; he’s just gonna bulldoze his way through this again.
With a female moderator, he again will run off women with his interrupting and ignoring questions. He would have been better served taking part in the last debate with the male moderator and skipping this one.
#292 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 290 weeks ago
By the way...I just checked and 538 gave Hillary an 83.8% chance of winning in 2016.
I'll appreciate going back to an era in which my blood pressure wasn’t boiling if it happens...
Even if I loved Trump, I'd still want him gone. This chapter has to end.
Biden needs to be a one term transitional president to ween the country off its Trump obsession. With any luck, the country can go back to how politics used to be handled.
538 is giving Biden an 87% chance to win right now. The 98% is something else.
I want to see the debate before posting my map. Trump was in position to win this before the last debate and he committed campaign hari-kari on live television. So, debates can change things. Trump is going to do his thing. Biden will try to keep his cool. If he does, that's Trump's last chance.
As for polls, I'm not ready to trust them. Pollsters have made changes to reflect their 2016 "miss", so they should be better. I'm even seeing talk that they might be overestimating Trump's support now to compensate.
That said, if you look at trends instead of individual polls, you start to see things. Looking at averages of all polls, Biden has a better chance to win Iowa or Texas than Trump has of winning Michigan or Pennsylvania. Trump is losing support by 15 to 20 points in some states. He's up by 8 in Montana. He won it by like 20 points. He's up by 7 in Kansas after winning by 21 points. Again, grain of salt ....
Voter turnout is forecast to be record-breaking, surpassing the 2008 Obama election by percentage and topping 2016 by almost 20 million. I think that benefits Democrats, as the midterms played out with massive turnout for a non-general election. But academics studies of this vary. Brookings Institute has some good analysis. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2 … elections/
#293 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 290 weeks ago
That’s not a bad map except .... Maine is not really in question. It’s going to Biden.
#294 Re: The Sunset Strip » What Are You Listening To? » 290 weeks ago
WTF is this? YouTube fed it to me, and it’s awesome. Dude’s voice is like Peter Steele. I gotta dive in to see what they are all about. The 69 Eyes. Anyone heard of them? James you might like this.
#295 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 290 weeks ago
This is his thing. Bridging the divide. Could go a long way to starting some healing.
I’m probably what some would call a dreaded moderate. The Bernie crowd wouldn’t like me on most issues. I like this move.
#296 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 290 weeks ago
I was wrong. Even with MSNBC and CNBC added, Biden on ABC got more viewers than Trump across three networks. I'm not the only one surprised. According to CNN, even ABC execs were taken off guard by the results.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/16/media/to … qjIIqnuPYE
"The Trump town hall averaged 10.6 million viewers on the NBC broadcast network. On MSNBC, Trump reached 1.74 million viewers, and on CNBC, about 671,000 viewers. So Trump's gross audience across the three channels was 13.1 million, about one million fewer than Biden's audience on ABC alone."
At this rate, though, maybe fewer people watching Trump is good for Trump?
#297 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 290 weeks ago
bigbri wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbre … 0b9304f9d5
This happened. I’m not saying there was anything wrong with his tweet. But after the head of the DNC leaked debate questions to Clinton.... The handling of Biden and Trump in these “debates” is a fucking joke. Like I said. Real reform is needed. Hopefully the media does a hard look in the mirror.
Am I imagining things: Didn’t they used to have panels of moderators? Not that it would fix things, but you could have your left and right leaning moderators both asking questions.
I didn’t watch Trump and only part of Biden. Letting Biden talk, I mean it’s supposed to be between the crowd and the candidate. I didn’t get the feeling he was rambling. I also have coffee with an elderly neighbor every Saturday, so I’m conditioned to hear “yarns.” I found it refreshing to hear someone talk in depth about topics.
I think you're right. I too recall a panel of moderators.
I had to look this up, I couldn't shake it. I thought I was suffering from The Mandela Effect.
This is from 1988. Four moderators! It looks like sometime in the 1990s, this type of debate went away, but I admittedly didn't search for every single debate of every cycle.
#298 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 290 weeks ago
If Trump wants to claim he has any chance of winning, he better win the ratings war. If more people tuned into Biden than watched Trump, it means no ones paying attention to him in the middle.
Early ratings on the parent broadcast networks give the win to Biden by about 2 million. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live- … ct-15-2020
Trump will eventually have more viewers, presumably, because MSNBC and CNBC also aired it.
#299 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 291 weeks ago
https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbre … 0b9304f9d5
This happened. I’m not saying there was anything wrong with his tweet. But after the head of the DNC leaked debate questions to Clinton.... The handling of Biden and Trump in these “debates” is a fucking joke. Like I said. Real reform is needed. Hopefully the media does a hard look in the mirror.
Am I imagining things: Didn’t they used to have panels of moderators? Not that it would fix things, but you could have your left and right leaning moderators both asking questions.
I didn’t watch Trump and only part of Biden. Letting Biden talk, I mean it’s supposed to be between the crowd and the candidate. I didn’t get the feeling he was rambling. I also have coffee with an elderly neighbor every Saturday, so I’m conditioned to hear “yarns.” I found it refreshing to hear someone talk in depth about topics.
#300 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 291 weeks ago
Twitter sucks. It's a real cesspool. They are always making head-scratching decisions. They really stepped in it this time.
