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#3021 Re: The Sunset Strip » JJ Abrams to direct Star Wars Episode VII » 690 weeks ago

The Fett thing is kinda Die Hardish, but I feel you can get away with the others. They're not just any family, they're a family (Han's kids would still be part of the Skywalker line) where the grandfather is at the head of a dynasty. He's the right hand man in the empire. In history it's not unheard of for kids or even grand kids to be big players in those situations. On the contrary it's pretty common.

Luke is about the only force user left. Makes sense he'd play a part in the rebellion, makes sense he might end up having a relationship with his father as a consequence of that, makes sense he'd become a big player in the government after playing such a large part in winning the rebellion, makes sense any kids he has also could play significant parts later (themselves being apt in the force and having all the high level connections).

#3022 Re: Guns N' Roses » BUMBLEFOOT Says Waiting For A New GUNS N' ROSES Album To Get Done Is ' » 690 weeks ago

Who said anything about SCOM.

You have this shit ass backwards.

The place where the songwriting is ALMOST NON-EXISTANT is GNR.

When did they write a new song last? 2008? When is the next album due 2016? What has the even done since 1993? ONE RECORD?

The place where the song writing doesn't exist is GNR, it's the band that's been unable to do anything but do live shows for the better part of two decades now.

30-40 songs, 15 of which we've heard. Judging by the quality of those likely there are some gems among the leftovers too. And even if those 15 songs are all we ever get to hear it's still on par (I'd say it crushes it) with Slash' 6 major albums. Who cares if he puts out 40+ songs you never want to hear again.

Hey, nobody's denying Axl is a fucking train wreck when it comes to almost anything, but still his creative output manages to be more impressive.

I like Axl more than most people but I'm sick of the need to run down the ex-members to justify Axl's problems.

Got nothing to do with justifying his problems, it's got to do with what you prefer. Amiable, on time and productive but with a shit output, or epic train wreck with the potential for a handful of memorable songs? I don't know about you but I'm in it for the music. Not live shows, not interviews, not an annual christmas record or a cash gig with LL Cool J on MTV.

The other members have put out a TON of great music and lived full musical careers outside of GNR while Axl remains crippled by psychological problems that causes the endless drama and bullshit list of people who've "wronged" the band...prevents him from achieving the greatness he once had, seemingly makes it impossible to release even a morsel of his creativity in terms of new music....and seems to have to be coaxed into doing even the smallest of changes to the live show.

A ton? Really? Let me see your playlist. Snakepit 1 and Contraband are far and above and they have maybe 3 good to very good songs each. Even that is cutting them some slack considering how laughable the singers are.

Rest is true, not denying that.

You can pretend stuff like Anastasia isn't good guitar if you want to, but if Axl or Izzy had sung over the same shit in 1993 we'd all be jacking off to it.

A pretty big if! That'd be like saying your meal would have been great had Gordon Ramsay cooked it. And let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Anastasia benefits from being one of only a few highlights in the desert of generity that is Apocalyptic Love (say cheese!). The intro is catchy enough but I'm certainly not getting my dick out. After that we have a few minutes of Mylesiocrity with nothing all too exciting going on in the background. And you act like I don't know what a good Slash solo sounds like. He's my favorite player in the genre, but definitely not because of anything he does on this song. Adding sweat to get a little extra length actually applies well here. Basically he's phoning it in. Like he came up with a decent riff, did some standard stuff on the verses and felt the need to plaster on a solo without having any real drive for what that should be.

And that's "his best work in years". 3

#3023 Re: Guns N' Roses » First Song of the Week poll, Closes Thursday night (yeah that's vague) » 690 weeks ago

Live Era all the way for me. Actually my first GN'R album. Went to bed with It's Alright/NR on repeat for a week. The way Axl goes from "you're gonna die" to the scream is so incredibly epic.

#3024 Re: Guns N' Roses » BUMBLEFOOT Says Waiting For A New GUNS N' ROSES Album To Get Done Is ' » 690 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:

I love Axl's songwriting, but the point of this very thread is that you DON'T still hear that aspect with Axl's songs and you likely WON'T for the foreseeable future - not because it isn't there but because he doesn't release anything.

He's given us 15 songs in 20 years and the newest of those is almost 5 years old.

Better than nothing, better than anyone else from the old band.

As for the other part of the comment...just as Axl still does what he did in GNR the "other dude" still plays guitar to the same high level (actually much harder parts than he used to now)...the only difference with each of them is the absence of the other to the parts of the song they don't create.

The ability to play SCOM perfectly does not impress me. Besides, I couldn't care less for technical proficiency when the songwriting is almost non existent. High level? Not even close. Put on his latest solo albums and tell me what is so high level about his playing. Tell me what is so high level about the songs as a whole.

But the point really is, why can the band not at least release a single song like bumblefoot would like to do.

The 10.000 dollar question. We don't know, but most of us are waiting since we expect it to be pretty good.

#3025 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF » 690 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

It matters to D, though. So he should agree with Dizzy tongue

Oh, Ghost is the weakest song on Slash's solo album. Pretty generic and I couldn't even tell Izzy was on it. There are FAR better songs on that album than Ghost.

The song is not very good, but it's a pretty cool riff with potential (gets boring around the 1.30 mark). I don't know about far better songs. Except for that and By The Sword Slash is incredibly generic on this record. Fergie and Cornell have a couple of decent verses (but terrible choruses) and that's about it. I was actually shocked to hear how poor this was.

#3026 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF » 690 weeks ago

tejastech08 wrote:
polluxlm wrote:

Ghost (the best by far)

Izzy muthafuckin Stradlin was right there helping him. 3

He was involved on Contraband too no? Hmm, I might need to modify my stance further. Those two are capable of magic (especially when the wizard in the tower also gets a say 14).

#3028 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF » 690 weeks ago

tejastech08 wrote:

Dizzy Reed is a joke.

Man you should have been around the old 2000 Intentions forums. We used to make up stories that Dizzy Reed was in fact the hidden hand behind GN'R.

#3029 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF » 690 weeks ago

RaZor wrote:

So what do you think about that? Do you like what he did on Slither? Do you think it sounds good and goes well with the sound despite the key?

My response to my coworker was, ”who cares if it sounds good?”  To which he responded that bring off key never sounds good.

I thought this was odd because Slash sounds great to me, and it's weird that a jazz guy would not like it just because Slash broke a musical rule since jazz is all about braking musical rules.

I'm not a musician so I don't know what Dizzy is on about, or if he's just taking the piss (perhaps feeling the need to diss it just a little since they're "the enemy"). I suspect it's the latter though since I consider the solo to be one of Slash' best post GN'R.

If Slash has a tendency to do stuff that's a little odd (I wouldn't know) I could see why some music nerd might take some kind of objection to it.

#3030 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SLASH 'Wasn't Disappointed' By AXL ROSE's Decision To Skip RnRHoF » 690 weeks ago

RussTCB wrote:

Ok, I gotcha. I can't remember exactly but I don't think I was involved in the overall HoF discussion. In any case, I don't see what the HoF in 2012 would have to do with his contributions to AFD in 1987.

It's like when people say I must be on "Axl's side" because I like CD more than the stuff Slash has produced since he left the band. CD, Snake Pit, VR, etc etc all have NOTHING to do with what Slash did on those original GN'R records. I find what he did to be pure magic on those cuts and you can never take that away from him. If you go see him in concert today, he plays all those tunes as good or better than he ever has. But in terms of new material (not quantity mind you, but quality), I happen to like what Axl's done with Guns N' Roses since Slash left more than what Slash has put out without anyone else since leaving.

You may be remembering a discussion we had earlier too when I claimed Izzy was the most important songwriter in GN'R based on his credits. That was a good discussion and I've since changed my stance on that since although he's got the most credits, the best and most universally loved songs are due in Slash' favor. Izzy's more of a troubadour. A natural affinity for writing simple, catchy songs. Slash' peak level though is far, far higher.

My disposition towards Slash got nothing to do with his contributions in GN'R. It's that he seems to have rejected the spirit of the band at some point. Nothing wrong in quitting something you're not happy about doing, but when you try and spin the story like you're the one who wanted to stay "O.G." and Axl wanted to become pop or whatever, well it simply doesn't fly. CD proves this. Put Slash on there and it's a familiar GN'R album. You can't just slap together some tracks and release that as your album when you're the biggest band in the world. Even with Axl on it the Snakepit thing would have brought the hammer on the band in the mid 90s. It would be Load/Reload or the last Alice In Chains record. Sub par work that nobody cared about then and certainly don't remember today (the first Snakepit album is actually the only Slash release I couldn't find a torrent for). Axl was being perfectly sensible when he told him "hey, ok maybe, if you insist, but we gotta work on this. people expect a lot from us now". Well he didn't want that and ended up leaving the band. Fair enough. Just shup up about it and don't go around implying your stuff is "the proper gnr way" when it clearly isn't. GN'R was never half assed, settling for second best, doing it on the quick.

This thread prompted me to take the time and listen through his latest albums properly (yeah I know, here we go again) just to get the feel for what he's doing currently, something I haven't really done since Contraband (which was actually a decent rock n roll album).

Well, I wish I did it earlier. I count 4 riffs that could potentially have become good to great songs; Ghost (the best by far), By The Sword, You're A Lie and Anastasia. I was moved by exactly 1 solo; Bad Rain. Those saying he's currently doing the GN'R sound must be taking the piss. Snakepit and Contraband, yeah definitely, this however doesn't even compare. His work on the verses in most songs are non existent. There's almost nothing going on. Put on Rocket Queen and you know exactly what I mean. That can halfway work when you got a partner who brings something to the table. Fergie, Cornell and Stockdale do this in some degree, but mostly you're left with what can only be described as an uninspired Slash and tired old timers harping out some lyrics or Myles Kennedy (who doesn't have an original bone in his body) just kinda being there. Like it all you want but don't even attempt to call this gnr worthy. Soundwise, writing wise, solowise, anywise. An opening riff here and there and a solo once in a blue moon is not gn'r. If that's the result of Slash' 1 week philosophy he might consider upping his hours.

Being the amiable guy he is I'm not surprised there's not a lot of emotion in his current work though. What's he got to be pissed about right? I'm starting to suspect much of his greatest stuff in GN'R was inspired by the anger arising from Axl's incessant demands. On his own he doesn't seem to care nearly as much, and that transcribes to the music. This could actually explain Contraband too, the powerful need to "beat" Axl. Now he's just an old man looking for a quick buck and a comfort zone.

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