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#3221 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN'R Filming: How is it financed? » 702 weeks ago
Is he only talking about Axl there? I don't see any of the other guys having a lot of people working for them. Then again Axl doesn't have a mortgage anymore does he? Been living the same place for 20 years?
Some of them are probably spending most of what they're taking in, these days. Can't be any other reason why a guy that doesn't particularly like touring has been doing it for almost 6 years straight.
The question is do they have "their own money" stashed away? I'd assume Izzy and Duff does. Steven no. Slash and Axl, who knows, but I doubt all that superbowl money and publishing cash went straight to hookers n blow, or maid bills for that matter.
And if Steven is getting by with the royalty checks he's not really living month to month. Those will keep coming for a long time. How could he? He doesn't appear to have a whole lot of steady work.
#3222 Re: Guns N' Roses » 11-24-12 The Joint Las Vegas, NV » 702 weeks ago
We know it was just a spur of the moment gag in between songs, but it's something about the look of Beta, like she's starting to consider this.
#3223 Re: Guns N' Roses » 11-24-12 The Joint Las Vegas, NV » 703 weeks ago
Apparently there were balloons instead of confetti. Counts as a surprise, no?
They're really breaking out the champagne.
And this?
#3224 Re: The Sunset Strip » Jason Newsted: 'It's Taken Me 12 Years To Get Over Metallica » 703 weeks ago
He says it took him 12 years to get over it. Take that for what you will.
#3225 Re: The Sunset Strip » Jason Newsted: 'It's Taken Me 12 Years To Get Over Metallica » 703 weeks ago
I don't necessarily see him as dumb. Seems like the guy made a fortune as it is and finally had enough of the shit from Hetfield and Lars so he left.
Was Izzy a dumbass for leaving Guns and going back to basically playing small clubs?
The difference is Izzy never regretted it. He made the right decision.
If you spend 12 years "shaking" a decision I'd say you made the wrong one. You've just finally learned to accept that you did.
#3226 Re: The Garden » Professions that attract psychopaths. » 703 weeks ago
Yeah, I've read about that too. I think they can actually do a brain scan to determine it. Normal people will have emotional reactions to certain words like sex, murder etc. A psychopath will not react any differently than if you'd say "plank" or something mundane like that.
Another interesting fact is that the worldwide average is something like 4%. But in east Asia the ratio can be as low as 0,001% while the United States has the highest average in the world (don't remember, but maybe 6-7%+). Those numbers seem high so I suppose they might include all forms of ASPD, but still interesting to see the huge gap between a highly individualistic culture and a highly collectivist one.
#3227 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Chris Cornell: "Guns N 'Roses were all normal types minus one" » 703 weeks ago
Also...I think a lot of things are probably just misunderstandings....For example Axl says Slash lied to him about liking "My World" because Slash had an agenda to make Axl humiliate himself to the general public. I think Slash lied about liking My World - because he actually hates all electronic music - but I think it's more likely he just lied to keep the peace. What's to be achieved by telling your buddy you think his new work sucks? Especially if it's someone you know can get pretty emotional and you guys already don't always see eye to eye on stuff.
I don't blame any of them, but that right there is why I'd rather be Axl's friend than Slash's. He didn't just say he liked it, he said he should put it on the album. Axl isn't the only one to talk about this passive aggressiveness from Slash and I've read his book too. I think it was most definitely an example of him subtly trying to get one up on Axl.
And you think Axl would throw a tantrum just because Slash didn't like some techno song he made for fun? Please, he's volatile but not that volatile. Of course he doesn't have to lie there. All that lying is the reason Axl won't trust a single word he says anymore.
#3228 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Chris Cornell: "Guns N 'Roses were all normal types minus one" » 703 weeks ago
Good post all things considered. Monkey pointed out things, so I'd only add that Axl organized those huge parties (you know, every night a different scene, like Ancient Rome etc.), he needed a private plane, he spent shitloads of money on videos to express his feelings with dolphins, and he forced the band to pay fortunes for curfews and riots.
They all had their faults and Axl cannot be blamed 100% for what happened with the band. But it's crystal clear that he lost his common sense, maybe even himself during the UYI days. He had no feet on the ground, he hated the tour, his bandmtes, the whole world. That killed Guns N' Roses. He had the chance to relaunch his career and redefine Guns N' Roses, but we all know how this turned out and he still hasn't grown up to take responsibility, but blames Slash for taking away 15 years of his life. That's why there is no hope for progress in GN'R land.
He's no Mick Jagger when it comes to money, that's for sure.
Only reason I prefer Axl is because he's somewhat more honest about things, but guy could definitely benefit from starting to take a little responsibility. Like you said, we get it you think Slash is a dick, get over it. You ain't perfect either.
He's kind of a tragic figure too. Got everything he wanted, but nobody's left and he can't do anything with it. He is GN'R but can't release an album because the label won't throw him enough cash without Slash and won't release an album because his replacement players aren't as good as his Appetite band.
#3229 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Chris Cornell: "Guns N 'Roses were all normal types minus one" » 703 weeks ago
polluxlm wrote:The point of no return was the night
and Duff signed over the rights to
. When Axl pulled the rug a few years later and Slash realized he was suddenly just an employee, he countered by simply refusing to do anything the boss asked.
Is that what happened though?
I'm sure slash was pissy about a few issues but I just got the impression it was communication between them that broke down.
What did he refuse to do? He's not an industrial guitarist, and he didn't quit after huge re-recorded his solo, and then he presented Axl with enough material for an entire album (snakepit1) that he says Axl rejected.
Axl's version is that he was told take it or leave it without changes....so it's possible maybe slash was encouraging Axl to hurry up as he wanted to get back out on the road and didn't want a chinese democracy style wait.
But I've never heard of Slash outright refusing to do stuff, even the UYI ballads he ended up playing on despite wanting a rock act, and he tollerated Dizzy being in the band despite originally not wanting a full time keys player.
But it's Axl who started not showing up in the studio, then rejecting music brought to him.
Also...I'm not so sure about this "trashing Axl in the press" thing people go on about...Axl trashes himself in the press when he walks off stage..when he fights with fans...when he shows up to a gig 2 hours late...all Slash did was stop apologising for these things once he'd left the band.
And that WAS slash's role. I remember when they came here in 93 and Slash was interviewed on the local nightly current affairs program and it was endless questions about how the band was racist, homophobic, starts riots, comes out late, pisses in planes, are a bunch of junkies. And only one of those problems was something Slash actually caused - but he's all friendly on the TV and parents let their kids go to the show.
I think that's where Axl's comments about him trying to take over the band comes from. After he lost the legal rights that was the only weapon he had, to go "you may have the legal rights, but I'm still Slash and I decide what we play cause in reality you are nothing without me".
Axl's version of the Snakepit record was that he was told, "this is the record, you sing and shut up". Yeah, they're all saying Axl wanted to do industrial stuff and whatnot, but you don't hear them saying he tried to force it on them. Axl claims this is what Slash did, and if we're to believe the top hat himself, Axl doesn't lie like that. Evidence it wasn't really about what music they were going to do or touring or whatever, but a power struggle.
I just don't buy the we tried everything we could but Axl was a dictator asshole so it didn't work out. There is some kind of reason why he hates Slash so much. Imo with him trying "to take over the band" (trying to use his real life popularity to level the score so to speak) in response to being made a mere employee seems a plausible situation given the info we have. Everybody kinda just assumed Axl was crazy over the years, but the recent patching ups with Duff, Izzy, Matt and Steven show that's probably not the whole story.
Whatever Axl may have been or done, he didn't really go to the press about it like some members of the band did. For years you had interviews with Slash calling him an asshole, it's his fault etc. Things were probably happening behind the scenes too. No doubt Axl viewed that as an attempt from Slash to destroy his image and chance of success with a new band.
Either way, as a former buddy Slash shouldn't have done that. And if he hadn't perhaps there would have been a possibility for a return back in 04/05 when Buckethead up and left.
#3230 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Chris Cornell: "Guns N 'Roses were all normal types minus one" » 703 weeks ago
The point of no return was the night and Duff signed over the rights to . When Axl pulled the rug a few years later and Slash realized he was suddenly just an employee, he countered by simply refusing to do anything the boss asked. Knowing full well his actual value in the band was more than that of a mere subordinate.
Obviously that was not quite the case as Axl was more than willing to work around a lot of issues, but it was his way of trying to rectify the position he found himself in.
I'm not sure if he as much left as it just got to the point where he stopped coming around, and then Axl put out the press release saying he was no longer considered to be part of the band. Either way he miscalculated as Axl was eyeballing replacements quickly thereafter. Slash's response to that was to sling shit in the media and that was all she wrote.
It's not about the blame, it is about what happened. 5 kids, all content to go live in the slums of LA. Already we know quite a bit about their characters. In between the sex and the drugs they write a few songs and play a couple of shows. Suddenly they're the biggest act in the world. Getting 900.000 dollar checks and don't even have a bank accounts. For 4 of them that meant an eternal party until they couldn't take it anymore. Izzy checked out in 91, Duff in 94, Slash sometime around 2006 and Steven appears to still be doing it.
Like Izzy said, this guy ain't no college degree or nothing like that. He's a dropout that wrote a few songs and now he's in the middle of a 100 million dollar operation. He sees his band mates partying like there's no tomorrow and there's a growing entourage of vultures egging him on he needs to get on top of this thing. Cause naturally, if they only have to convince one person of their various schemes their job becomes a lot easier.
It turns out they weren't all that wrong either. Within a few years they already had an ex drummer, who's suing for millions. Then the rythm guitarist decides to quit in the middle of a world tour to beat his drug addiction. The two remaining ones just want to continue the party and let him have it.
Axl shouldn't have tried to take over the band, the others shouldn't have let him. But it happened, because they were young, stupid and selfish with too much money in their hands. Only thing I think could be done differently was the way the rest of the band used the press against Axl after the fact. That burned a lot of bridges, especially for Slash.
