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#3471 Re: The Sunset Strip » Hologram Performances Discussion » 734 weeks ago

Jesus, this is so sick.

At least they're not cloning him. 14

This totally opens up the door for a purely computer generated artist. Have an algorithm crank out mathematically pleasing melodies. Then you create the artist reflecting the needs of the proper demographic, the right voice, right color of skin, right hair, right opinions etc.

Boy, if we thought Bieber and gang were some fake plastic crap this is gonna take it to the whole next level. Reality's about to take off at the next intersection, never to be seen again.

#3472 Re: The Sunset Strip » Hologram Performances Discussion » 734 weeks ago

"Live shows" with dead legends is just taking entertainment to the next level. Exciting and innovative.

It does have a wide range of other, more nefarious applications though. Let's just say this isn't the first you've seen of this technology, but it's probably the first time you realize it...

#3473 Re: Guns N' Roses » On Truth, The Man Who Wasn't There and Happy Endings » 734 weeks ago

You don't care about a new album? Or are you just thinking short term? That's really the only thing I hope to get from him at some point.

#3474 The Garden » John Keel and Operation Trojan Horse » 734 weeks ago

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I think I saw a UFO today, made me think about this great article I read a while back:

...in early 1966, John Keel commenced a full-time investigation of UFOs and paranormal phenomena. Over a four-year period, Keel interviewed thousands of people in over twenty U.S. states. More than 2,000 books were reviewed in the course of this investigation, in addition to thousands of magazines, newsletters, and newspapers. Keel also subscribed to several newspaper-clipping services, which often generated up to 150 clippings for a single day during the 1966 and 1967 UFO "wave". {...}

Like contemporary 1960s researchers such as J. Allen Hynek and Jacques Vallée, Keel was initially hopeful that he could somehow validate the prevailing extraterrestrial visitation hypothesis. However, after one year of investigations, Keel realised that the extraterrestrial hypothesis was untenable. Indeed, both Hynek and Vallée eventually arrived at a similar conclusion.

As Keel himself wrote, "I abandoned the extraterrestrial hypothesis in 1967 when my own field investigations disclosed an astonishing overlap between psychic phenomena and UFOs... The objects and apparitions do not necessarily originate on another planet and may not even exist as permanent constructions of matter. It is more likely that we see what we want to see and interpret such visions according to our contemporary beliefs."

In UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse Keel argues that a non-human or spiritual intelligence source has staged whole events over a long period of time in order to propagate and reinforce certain erroneous belief systems. For example, the fairy faith in Middle Europe, vampire legends, mystery airships in 1897, mystery aeroplanes of the 1930s, mystery helicopters, anomalous creature sightings, poltergeist phenomena, balls of light, and UFOs. Keel conjectures that ultimately all of these anomalies are a cover for the real phenomenon.

In Our Haunted Planet, Keel coins the term "Ultraterrestrials" to describe the UFO occupants. He discusses the seldom-considered possibility that the alien "visitors" to Earth are not visitors at all, but an advanced Earth civilization, which may or may not be human.

The most fascinating aspect of the UFO phenomenon is the sheer volume of witnesses reports, from all walks of society. The likely scientific conclusion has to be that something real is happening. The interesting thing about John Keel is that he takes the reports and finds that they can't be a psychological phenomenon since there are plenty of radar readings of these events, so that leaves us with something actually happening in the physical realm. The thing though was that they were so consistently fantastical in nature that the only explanation would be some sort of extra dimensional presence, and that they were deliberately fucking with us.

One example is a group of psychics (many of them normal people before these things happened) in different cities, who originally didn't know of each other, starting to get messages in their heads or channeling predictions about the future. The predictions came true and a movement began with a large following. Then they got the trap, they were told the big one, judgement day is next month! Obviously this being years ago it didn't happen and they were made fools of and nobody listened to them again. After analyzing those reports he concluded that they no doubt came from a centralized source and that this entity was playing a game on them.

Government? Aliens? Extra Terrestials? Who knows, but very interesting none the less.

#3475 Re: Guns N' Roses » On Truth, The Man Who Wasn't There and Happy Endings » 734 weeks ago

Lol, no offense to you but that mindset from the festival guys is so stereotypical backwards eastern european country. That cheap, trying to sell you some fake crap you always get in the gullible rich westerner tourist areas. 16

#3476 Re: Guns N' Roses » Hall of Fame Videos » 734 weeks ago

tejastech08 wrote:
faldor wrote:

Are they taking down videos of other artists from that night or just GNR?

It's Uzi Suicide, so I would assume just GN'R. They wouldn't own copyrights for the others.

I'm getting visions of Beta and Fernando working shifts searching YouTube and writing cease and decists.

Strangely I.R.S appears to be the only studio version from CD not found on there.

#3477 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 734 weeks ago

That depends. Axl is still in GN'R, he is not. And we can be pretty sure he wanted/wants to.

But as far as the media goes, you're totally right. He's played that far, far better than Axl. I think it's becoming a little more apparent why he hates him so much. Axl is an exceptionally unpopular figure among the general public, and a large part of that has been facilitated by Slash. CD is not perfect, but it's also ridiculously underrated because of this situation.

Also, with Axl being mostly absent Slash pretty much had free reign with regards to the rest of the band. Perhaps that goes to explaining part of why there appears to be 4 against 1 in a lot of perceptions.

That being said, Axl revels in being the faultless victim. I'm 28 and I think that's a pretty immature position for somebody at my age, not to mention somebody in their 50s.

#3478 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNREVO HOF tribute to Guns N' Roses. » 734 weeks ago

ottosporteman wrote:

I have so MANY mixed emotions about Oh My God. Clearly sounds like a draft, inconsistent and lacks a hook but in the other hand is so far away from what we've got on Chinese that it makes me wonder the type and quality of the material on the vault.

You mean in a good way or a bad way?

I feel both this and silkworms are a little more organic on the musical side than much of CD ended up being. This is what the new band brought to the table, while a lot of CD stuff is them trying to be the old band. I think that's supported by both OMG and Silkworms absence from CD after first being released as a single and then being 2/5 of the new songs presented in Rio.

On the positive side Axl has said that the next album will be more experimental. What seems to have happened is the new sound didn't get the reception he had hoped, so he lumped all the more accessible material on CD when it became apparent he had to release something.

#3479 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 734 weeks ago

Axlin12 wrote:

Those 10 witnesses were not all in GN'R.

And i'm not talking about varying stories from different people.


I'm talking about the same person, telling 3 different versions of a story of an incident.


Ask 10 different detectives what they think about that, and they'll tell you -- 'The suspect is lying'.

Okay, fair enough. Bad analogy.

There's still a difference though. Like, they're not saying Axl held a gun to their head. I'll just take your examples at the top of my head:

Axl lied about CD. Axl's lied about One In A Million. Axl's lied about Slash's departure (based on Slash and everyone else's story, or is he telling the truth, and 5 other guys are lying?) Duff's story has changed a couple times dating back a decade or so, specifically on the time frame and how the name was lost to Axl.

1. If you're referring to the release dates I don't think those can be considered lies, or at least, can't be proven as such. There are a multitude of events that could change plans, and from what we hear from different people this is not at all an unreasonable assumption in this case. It's also a very stupid lie, cause you're 100% going to get caught.

2. Don't really know about this one.

3. According to you they're all liars, so why not? Not like they don't have reason to gang up on him. But this is a good case of where the stories can be attributed to what I talked about. I just don't see the damning evidence.

4. This could surely be due to lack of memory and filling in the blanks. The guy doesn't even remember he was in Chechoslovakia.

I'm with you that they skew and omit facts to paint things in a certain light. If you want to call that pure lies I don't have a real problem with it, but the point I'm trying to make is that after reading a whole lot of interviews and Duff and Slash books one of them comes off a lot worse than the others and that's Slash.

- he brags about driving piss drunk and deliberately hitting another car
- a lot of unanswered questions when one of his friends OD'd and died with him
- cheats on his wives and girlfriends, doesn't seem to think it's particularly wrong
- never takes responsibility
- afraid of confrontation preferring to talk behind the back and let problems grow and grow without ever dealing with them
- leaves the band as an ultimatum (leaving the rest of them, not just Axl, in the mud on the eve of a major follow up album),
- DIES in the middle of a tour,
- tries to weasel himself back into the band while still in VR, then lies to his new band and the press about what happened,
- stars in every commercial venture that's offered to him (bad rap, bad pop, tv commercials, mtv shows with fucking jamie foxx - playing GN'R songs no mind).
- and if you ask me, have done fuck all to evolve as a musician or even record decent material.

Loving his work is totally fair, I do to and I'd still love for him and Axl to record something again, but the way Axl is portrayed as this massive bad guy, ten inches above all the rest just doesn't fly. At the very least they're fipping a coin on the asshole factor.

#3480 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNREVO HOF tribute to Guns N' Roses. » 734 weeks ago

Live Era convinced me fake live albums can be a good thing. This is much better than the album version:

Always wanted to hear what this album would have sounded like. Lyrics on the level of his best UYI work and a new distinct sound. One of the heaviest songs ever produced under the moniker.

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