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#341 Re: Guns N' Roses » No Going Back » 552 weeks ago
Nah... that ship sailed. Axl knows that now. No way is he gonna do this Rolling Stones Steel Wheels tour of NA, then tour around and turn GN'R back into Whitesnake, with just him and revolving guitarists ala Coverdale.
Label won't support it. Industry won't support it. He'd go down as the biggest heel + his legacy X forever.
Only way that Axl + players works again, is if a tragic death occurs like Slash dying and he keeps it going in their honor ala Alice In Chains.
#342 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Broke His Foot(?) » 552 weeks ago
Unless the foot worsens, I don't see this being much of a problem. Axl will probably feel better not having to move around alot anyways.
#343 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR - VEGAS, T-Mobile Arena Show, 4/8 » 552 weeks ago
There's no fucking way. No fucking way Coma is getting played.
Axl could barely pull that track off in 1991-92, let alone now. I do not want a standing memory of Mickey Axl wheezing threw the final verses of "One way ticket on your last chance ride"...
I just think the song is too dangerous to take a chance on. But hey... if they try it... good on them. Ballsy. I'd look at it as the equivalent of Soundgarden coming out and playing tons of cuts from Ultramega OK, when everyone was screaming for "Black Hole Sun".
#344 Re: Guns N' Roses » No Going Back » 552 weeks ago
pacu44 wrote:Lomax wrote:There is no going back from this. Once you reintroduce Duff and Slash into the band you can't go back on that.
From this point on, Guns will always include Duff and Slash and without them nobody will accept GNR as GNR.
I accepted all the previous lineups as legitimate. But seeing the Troubadour footage has changed things.
GNR will always involve Slash and Duff for me now.They aren't GNR to me without Izzy... Period...
Then it wasn't Gn'R with Sorum and Gilby either?
Same thing.
Hahaha... Furbush hittin' it three rows deep as always.
Always love when people play GN'R chess with these new Johnny Come lately Izzy/Steven-ites.
If it isn't GN'R without Izzy, then GN'R played their last show in the Fall of 1991.
There is no going back from this. Once you reintroduce Duff and Slash into the band you can't go back on that.
From this point on, Guns will always include Duff and Slash and without them nobody will accept GNR as GNR.
I accepted all the previous lineups as legitimate. But seeing the Troubadour footage has changed things.
GNR will always involve Slash and Duff for me now.
Well... yeah. Once Axl made that move, regardless of individual feelings... there's no coming back from this. Axl doesn't have the benefit of being KISS post-Frehley, when the band kept touring with Criss on drums, and Tommy Thayer on lead guitar. They were all in makeup, and like Van Halen, had 3/4 original members.
Now GN'R could still be GN'R and tour with pretty much anybody, as long as Axl & Slash are there, very similar to The Who with Roger Daltrey & Pete Townshend. Although Aerosmith has never broken up, I firmly feel they could tour with replacement players and just Steven & Joe up front.
GN'R can do the same, but Axl & Slash will always be a requirement at this point. GN'R will not be able to pull a Foreigner, and go find a replacement guitarist or in Foreigner's case a replacement vocalist, and tour basically as the GN'R brand with one original member or less (eeek).
This band is too big, and Axl & Slash are too big of icons. Unlike members of Foreigner or even Journey. Axl & Slash will be involved in some form from this point to the end of the band.
#345 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Guns N Roses member Melissa Reese » 553 weeks ago
Axlin16 wrote:Me personally, I happen to think AFD > UYI
I also happen to think CD > UYI (as seperate albums only)
So for now... Frank ftwTwo problems with this:
Firstly, lets go with the premise that you are right and the CD songs are better than the UYI songs. That's highly debatable, but assuming for a moment that they are, there's no way that it would be because of the drum parts. Lets say a person like Madagascar better than Estranged, I can't possibly imagine it would be because of the drumming. Chinese Democracy is full of horrible 8 bit sounding drum loops followed by average as hell sounding forgettable irrelevant drum parts. Where's the air drum moment? For all that they redid them bunches of times while recording in the roof of a mosque or whatever it was it hasn't worked. Chinese is an album with great songs and terrible production and the drums didn't escape that issue.
Secondly, even if somehow one thinks the drum parts on Chinese Democracy were its highlight....Frank only plays on three songs. I think it's actually more like 2.5 with the drum editing going on.
So your premise that CD is better than UYI and therefore Frank is the best drummer just doesn't add up to me.
You're way over-thinking this. I'm using your logic against you. It baffles me how you arguing your point for Steven & Matt with the same logic i'm arguing FOR Frank, yet somehow when it's Frank's name & CD, somehow it's lesser of an argument, yet it's the same logic you used.
Just to get it back to the basics.
AFD > UYI
AFD > CD
CD > UYI (as seperate albums)
Use Your Illusion as a collective best-of whole?
Better than Appetite. That's right... it's the best thing Guns ever did.
jmho
#346 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Guns N Roses member Melissa Reese » 553 weeks ago
Axlin16 wrote:Guns N' Roses is Axl Rose, Slash, Izzy Stradlin, Duff McKagan, Steven Adler, Matt Sorum & Dizzy Reed
According to the Rock Hall.
Yes and Madonna is a rock and roll band according to the illustrious Rock N roll Hall of Fame too.
They have no authority. They're not the Hogwarts of Rock Music.
They're a bunch of posers who don't understand that the idea of a hall of fame where people can be included or excluded in rock n roll history goes against everything rock n roll stands for.Fuck em.
You're making my point for me.
If I say DJ Ashba is the best guitarist ever in Guns... it's just as valid as a member statement as Slash being back.
Thus... no need for the Frank bashing on the board recently.
#347 Re: Guns N' Roses » New Guns N Roses member Melissa Reese » 553 weeks ago
Axlin16 wrote:Guns N' Roses is Axl Rose, Slash, Izzy Stradlin, Duff McKagan, Steven Adler, Matt Sorum & Dizzy Reed
According to the Rock Hall.
Who is the rock hall to determine who is or isn't a band anyway? Just cos they say so doesn't make it absolute.
Didn't Axl raise that very question himself when he didn't go? It's an award ceremony but has no meaning beyond that.
I used the Rock Hall as a reference because all GN'R reunionite nerds consider Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff, Steven, Matt and even fucking Gilby to be -- Guns N' Roses.
But Dizzy always gets the shaft. Then they take out Dizzy, take a shit on Frank or others, and my point always always been you can't pick and choose. We either gotta go with ALL OF THEM, or we've gotta go back the Rock Hall definition of the AFD/UYI-era being GN'R (which I don't necessarily disagree with), which includes Dizzy.
It just seems to me , people pick and choose.
#348 Re: Guns N' Roses » VIPs at the Troubadour show » 553 weeks ago
Acquiesce wrote:James Lofton wrote:I wish some of my favorite celebs(Angie Harmon, Mischa Barton, Natlie Portman, JUliet Huddy,etc.) had went to this show.
Were you a fan of The O.C.?
I'm a Mischaholic.
It's definitely not one of my favorite shows but that's what put her on the map.
I've endured some forgettable horror movies just because she's in them.
She was very talented. Unfortunate that she turned into a trainwreck. Should've been at Natalie Portman level but major depression, drug use and getting mixed in with that group of attention whores(Hilton, Lohan, Kardashians,etc.) years ago pretty much altered whatever path she was on.
Just her voice can get my juices flowing.
If someone deserves a major comeback...it's her.
I remember when Mischa hit the scene, and Ben McKenzie as well, and for at time right at that 2003-2004 period man... fuck it was like that show and those two were EVERYWHERE.
That girl got the biggest push of a nobody I had seen in recent memory... and the weight of it all buried her. So sad. Even Lindsay Lohan (another bomb of a career), has The Parent Trap and Mean Girls. But Mischa had already become tabloid fodder by the 3rd Season of The OC, and by the final season there was talk of firing her. Sad... just damn sad. She was not ready for that kind of stardom, and the media built her up, and then when they were done with her slit her wrists and watched the descent.
Now? I just keep waiting to see her pop up on Celebrity Fat Club, just to get a job. Damn Shame.
I hated The OC, but i'd watch it for one girl. Amanda Righetti... goddamn I had the biggest crush on her at that time. I thought she was the most beautiful thing ever created.
I thought Righetti was gorgeous 
#349 Re: Guns N' Roses » Comments by Mick Wall. » 553 weeks ago
Agreed SG. Having Slash & Duff back in the band has been the equivalent of the Berlin wall falling in the GN'R world. From basically the inception of nuGNR, it's created so many different factions and splinter cells of those factions that it began to just be laughable by the DJ/Ron-era. We eventually turned into Eastern Europe post-USSR. We didn't know what the fuck to do with ourselves, or who to root for, and it got to a point... like when I felt like it shifted in me was when Richard wouldn't perform with Slash in Dead Daises. To me that's when it crossed a line into being a big joke. Even DJ with the Top Hat & Cigarette didn't bother me as much as others... but when Richard didn't do that out of respect for Axl, I think it just got to the point of absurdity for me. Because MUSIC SUFFERED. When music starts to be LESS because of those factional reasons, it's a bridge too far.
Combining the fanbases now have completely rebirthed Guns. It's been the Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens moment of Guns, while people will look back and see the CD era probably thrown the eyes of Halloween III: Season of the Witch. Diehards will revere it, call it a lost golden age, the true next step in Guns evolution, while the masses will still bash it because Myers (Slash) wasn't involved.
Now we're all a team again. We're all a collective again. Avengers Assemble baby! But now Guns is a bigger target again. Back on the radar. So are the fans. Which means Johnny Come Lately's, all kinds of other bullshit.
It's familiar waters, yet strange currents and tides. We don't know where were going, but we know what were looking for.
With much love... dedicated to the GN'R fanbase
GN'R might want to cover this... 
#350 Re: Guns N' Roses » Secret show: April 1, L.A.? » 553 weeks ago
Bucket is still considered a joke to 99% of the press and casual people. I can't tell you hoe many people I ran into from 2005-2015 that always asked me if that freak Bucket was still in the band. When I explained to them that he had been gone since 2004, they would come back with "Well GnR has been a joke since he was there", obviously showing that they knew nothing of the band's history post-2002.
I can't tell you how many jokes in the press i've seen since last fall... all directed at Bucket in reference to the reunion, and that "GN'R lost all credibility when Slash left and Bucket came in"
I truly believe this is 99% of the global GN'R fanbase. Thus the reason on YouTube, that nuGNR videos only might get 200k at best after years of being posted, whereas a collage of 2 minutes worth of cell phone clips, within 72 hours of the Friday April Fools Troub show, has already hit in the MILLIONS.
The GN'R fanbase see Bucket as sacred ground. Bucket fans see his time in GN'R as primarily a big joke. Outside of those two forum geek fanbases, the rest see all of that period as a fucking laughing stock.
Look how utterly "Shocked" people have been at the inclusion of Chinese & Better in the setlist on Friday. Hell, because of Slash & Duff's retouches, most people thought they were playing NEW SONGS.
I'm telling you guys, outside of forum nerds, that entire period was seen as a "Montezuma's Revenge" shitstain on the legacy of GN'R.
I don't agree with them, but I can't deny what they feel is the collective truth either. And that's how they see it.
People didn't see DJ as a joke... EVERYBODY WAS FUCKING GONE by the time DJ joined. Axl had his moment in 2001-02, and when he dropped Bucket on the world, 95% of people threw their water bottles and left before Bucket played one fucking note. Had NOTHING to do with his playing.
