Pukkelpop '02 in Belgium. Great show, but the weather was absolutely horrible. And they came on an hour late, which pissed a lot of people off who were gonna miss their trains.

Still glad I got to see the line-up with bucket and Gothic Finck, but nothing beats an Axl-Slash line-up.

That's a very interesting video, thanks for posting!

I'm not an Islam apologist, and I'm not a leftist (I always vote for one of the two right-wing parties here in Belgium (though not the far right party) ) and I'm definitely not PC, so you'll get no contest from me on the very real problem that exists in Islam. None of this video is news to me, I've been following this topic for a long time with great interest, but it's great to see it all laid out in one place with clear exposition.

However, you can't police people's thoughts, you can only police their actions and the number of people taking action is extremely low. When I talk about using statistics to inform policy, I talk about the actual real-life impact that radical Islamic terrorism has on the average American's day-to-day life, not how many muslims have radical thoughts or believe crazy violent shit. When you look at those numbers (I gave them before) they pale in comparison to other types of violence in the US. Should we not focus on other things instead then?

The videos are horrible and we should do everything we can to avoid such situations, you'll never hear me contest this. I live in Europe and work in the US (mostly the bay area) for half of the year, so I can bring some perspective to this and make an honest comparison. It's easy to look at these videos and think that this is what all of Europe looks like these days. And when I drive through Germany, walk through Brussels or take the metro in Paris, I see things like this once in a while. But I see it with about the same frequency that I see end-of-days preachers shouting at and harassing passers by when I walk through downtown LA, homeless people lining up to sleep under the awning at Macy's in SF, people being harassed by beggars on the subway in NY, ... It's easy enough to find examples that will support any type of message on both continents, but it's just not reflective of the day-to-day reality in these places.

Yes, we need to organize the shit out of this, and one of the things we should definitely do is spread the burden of taking these people in. I'm absolutely not saying we need to accept everyone and everything, there's a real chance that potential terrorists will try to abuse the west's openness so we have to be vigilant and do extensive background checking before we give anyone asylum (And this typically takes over a year in Europe, over two years in the US). But, you have to make decisions on an individual case-by-case basis, we can't make sweeping generalizations like keeping out 'all muslims' (not even for a "limited amount of time").

And remember, Islam immigrants are simply not a problem in the US, it's completely impractical for refugees to come to the States unless they have much deeper pockets than the average Syrian has these days. So why are the republicans latching on the San Bernardino to make this the hot topic of the election? Oh, that's right, because it takes focus away from the real problems the country is facing, that they helpdc cause over the past three decades. Because it's so much easier to get votes by shifting the blame to a minority than it is to come up with actual solutions for people's day-to-day problems.

It's just all so counterproductive, it frustrates me to no end...

Very true, it's very important to expose immigrants to local customs and culture on an ongoing basis, and that can only happen if they don't need to (or some would say are allowed to) fold back on their own community. But you can also see that dropping a lone immigrant in an otherwise completely homogenous community is going to feel very alienating for those people, decrease their feeling of belonging, ... It's not an easy balance to find, but clearly ghettoization is to be absolutely avoided.

Certain (very multicultural) countries (e.g. Singapore) have quota for neighborhoods: only so many people of the same ethnic or religious background are allowed to purchase/rent in the same building/block/neighborhood/whatever. I've always found that a bit harsh and too limiting of people's freedoms, but it has proven to be effective.

Which is exactly why 'closing the borders for muslims' is the worst thing we can do right now. The bulk of these western "ISIS warriors" are homegrown terrorists that barely know anything about Islam (one of the Syria fighters from the UK literally bought the book "Islam for Dummies" on Amazon right before he left to go and fight over there). Often these guys will feel either discriminated against (whether that's justified or not), or that they have no future, ... and that blame their community and surroundings for everything that goes wrong in their lives. And an easy target to blame (especially when you're part of a minority) is western civilization.