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#3651 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 500 weeks ago
Is that an argument to repeal the 19th Amendment? 
#3652 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 500 weeks ago
According to this, Obama actually never had a supermajority for more than a few weeks, at most. I don't have time to go back and verify the claims, but I remember some of these events.
Even if you want to argue they lacked a super majority, they had a clear majority (your article even argues that at no point did he drop below 58 Senators) for the first 2 years. Furthermore, arguing about being filibustered is pointless, as they used reconciliation to pass Obamacare, and had no problem removing the filibuster in 2012 when it suited their purpose (something the GOP has refused to do).
The reality is that Obama and congressional Democrats had no interest working with the GOP. Obama couldn't even rally all of the Democrats to support his original plan for health care reform. I'm not excusing the behavior of the GOP, specifically their current refusal to bring a vote on Obama's SCOTUS nominee. But the notion that Obama was somehow hindered during the first 2 years from passing whatever laws he wanted is demonstrably false. This of course completely ignores that according to insider accounts, Obama and his staff were completely unprepared to run Washington at least for the first 12 months - the same issue that would affect Trump since no one in is inner circle has a clue.
#3653 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 500 weeks ago
I'm kind of interested in the mutiny against Paul Ryan, which looked to be happening even without Trump, the Breitbart crowd who are now running his campaign have been on a quest to oust him since he became speaker. I heard on Bloomberg with Mark Halperin and John Heilemann to not be surprised to see a very productive relationship between Ryan and Hillary, which kind of surprised me as I thought he'd want to sandbag her Obama style for a 2020 run, but he might want to do some damage control and look good to the center. This is getting really interesting.
As soon as you realize Obama was never sand bagged and refused to negotiate with congressional republicans, the sooner you'll realize why half the country considered Trump.
He's a president, not a dictator. The Democrats had a super majority for 2 years and Obama's only legacy is his Affordable Care Act, which is going to be nonexistent after Clinton or Trump assume the Presidency.
I know the constitution isn't required reading anymore, but it clearly outlines how the branches of government work. Nowhere does it say "Congress will create and approve legislation at the request of the President." It's this same head in the sand hand waiving that allows a lot of people to think Hillary is actually a good person and candidate.
#3654 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 500 weeks ago
^ I'm worried he'll drag his loss out by refusing to concede and trying to file court cases. Who knows what could happen if he doesn't bow out of the election graciously.
#3655 Re: The Garden » GPS tracking your gf/partner » 500 weeks ago
A friend of mine did that a few years ago after his wife said she wanted an open marriage. He tried to go along with it to save face, but they ended up divorcing 6 months later.
If you feel the need to track your significant other, your relationship isn't going to last.
#3656 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 500 weeks ago
This debate: Donald Trump 33 false claims, Hillary Clinton 5.
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) October 10, 2016
Last debate: Donald Trump 34 false claims, Hillary Clinton 4.Donald Trump made 33 false claims at the debate last night. #TrumpCheck pic.twitter.com/AqsZ2xCoYB
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) October 10, 2016
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I'm voting for Clinton, but half of those "fact checker" claims are bogus. It says Michelle Obama never attacked Hillary -
Plenty of reasons to dislike Trump. Trying to claim Hillary Clinton is honest isn't one of them.
#3657 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 500 weeks ago
Joe and Minka calling some fools out on MSNBC. They asked where all the liberal moral high ground people were in the 90's as Billy took advantage of young interns in the Oval Office and Monica's life was RUINED. Minka shares the same view..
That's the problem with the modern left. They want to create a climate where if you disagree with them, they shut you down with terms generated in a gender studies course. They can't really go after Trump's comments because these are the people who believe men can rape with their eyes and due process doesn't apply to those accused of rape.
While Trump said some pretty bad things, Bill Clinton has done worse, and Hillary led his defense. It's put the core of left wing lunacy in panic mode because if they apply their own comments and logic evenly, they have to devote more time to the Clinton's.
I'm still voting for Clinton though. Trump is fucking insane. Political correctness and double speak drive me insane, and I do applaud Trump for getting half the country to finally call bullshit. But the man isn't capable of being commander in chief.
#3658 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:TheMole wrote:But it isn't an "unborn child" in more than 99% of the abortion cases, it's a fetus (or often even just an embryo). Those are not people, they are much more similar to an appendix than you might realize. It has the potential to become a person, but it isn't a person yet at that stage. Using the term "unborn child" is therefor not really conducive to having an honest conversation about this. It's a non-technical term that is laden with emotions and simply isn't accurate. A fetus exhibits none of the traits we associated with being a person until around week 16.
Bro, a LOT of abortions are done after 16 weeks, let alone 20 weeks
From what I researched, and what is known, 1%, or over 15,000, abortions are performed after 20 weeks annually in the U.S. And from Fox News research: "Of the 1.6 million abortions performed in the U.S. each year, 91 percent are performed during the first trimester (12 or fewer weeks' gestation); 9 percent are performed in the second trimester (24 or fewer weeks' gestation); and only about 100 are performed in the third trimester (more than 24 weeks' gestation), approximately .01 percent of all abortions performed." Again, I'm pro choice, but I really, really, really hate the idea of late term abortion, and I personally think that it should have to be extrodinary circumstances for this procedure to happen.
So why get worked up about it? You just said less than .01% occur during the third trimester. It's just like with firearms. Same number of assault rifles are used in crimes, but the media sensationalizes them, so the mouth breathers get upset. Don't be a mouth breather.
#3659 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago
This week I haven learned the Dutch have an expression that really fits perfectly: plaatsvervangende schaamte.
Fuck, that was hard to spell.Smoking Guns wrote:I don't get the big deal about the 1995 Trump tax returns. Clearly they were illegally obtained but what in them should I be worried about?
Good grief but you are stupid. Like monumentally stupid. Monstrously idiotic. Are you actually on the spectrum?
buzzsaw wrote:johndivney wrote:You're an obnoxious retarded piece of shit. You're really quite dense. More to be pitied than laughed at.. tho I admit I am guilty of laughing at you when you think you "buried" people who were already laughing at your stupidity & immaturity. You ignorant cunt.
Bury them again! Haha! Wtf. How does that even work..
Bye! See you in a few days.
Huh?
What are you talking about you goat felcher?
I'm baffled by your intellect and ability to create informed and persuasive arguments. I bet academics compliment your intellect all the time.
#3660 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago
Cramer wrote:1) "Quiet" and "Trump supporter" don't necessarily go together. I find it unlikely that anybody who supports Trump would deny it over the phone (of all scenarios.) Trump supporters are vocal in their support to say the least.
The referendum in the UK was swung by people who normally don't vote who turned in large numbers thanks to the over the top inflammatory promises by the right.
Most people assumed that remain would win regardless and the media certainly feed into that with polls. In the end, alot of the people from the areas most likely to vote remain felt like they didn't really need to vote.
Do any US polls take into account the likelihood of voters from certain backgrounds to vote?
Yes, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything at a national level that is current. But while excitement aided Obama in 2008 and to a lesser extent in 2012, Clinton hasn't rallied the people behind her. She has non excitement. Just look at the size of Trump rallies compared to hers. She'll do well with women, the youth and minorities. But the youth are always in poor turnout and minorities aren't excited by her - Obama had a special resonance for obvious reasons. Just compare voter turnout in the primaries compared to 2012 for each party. That tells you all you need to know.
