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#3751 Re: The Garden » Possible terror attack in Germany - at least 8 killed » 512 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:
Axl S wrote:

So turns out he was a German native who had an obsessions with shootings and no religious motivation.

And Iranian German. Was he Muslim or Christian?


Don't worry, soon they'll be calling the refugees natives too. At what point will the masses be fed up with the liberal utopia narrative and realize brining in scorpions to play among children is unacceptable.

#3752 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 512 weeks ago

"sure I've been called xenophobic. I just happen to believe that America is the greatest country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism." - Kenny Powers

Fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck.  Am I doing this right?

No, I don't want to own slaves. No, I don't think people from "insert country here" are better or worse than "America".

I just think each country should cater its immigration policies to favor its own citizens and longevity/prosperity.  Europe or the US admitting hundreds of thousands of people who are quasi illiterate, lack a skill and don't speak the native tongue, is a retarded immigration policy. Just because you're bored working your McJob in London, Paris, Toronto, Berlin or NYC and want to believe you're making the world a better place by inviting in people who have no interest in adopting your culture doesn't make you intelligent or enlightened. It just means you're a shit head who has that luxury and probably haven't taken a step out of your bubble.

As long as hajis are shooting and blowing up westerners, you're bleeding heart cries to bring in people too stupid or craven to fix their problems at home. Bringing them all to the west doesn't improve the problem and only extends their drama to the west.

#3753 Re: Guns N' Roses » Official band pic » 512 weeks ago

metallex78 wrote:
James Lofton wrote:

Wow. GREAT sign. The fact they would even do this speaks volumes. The lineup is rock solid and they're letting the world know it.

Nice touch not placing Melissa in the background which they so easily could've done. She is right up front with the big enchiladas.

They should've put her at the back. She's useless up there. I see her dancing around flopping her stupid blue hair playing keyboard parts I can't hear, for songs that don't need keyboards.

Yep, I'm not a fan of hers


Yea, I don't understand what she brings to the band either.  I don't mind her backing vocals, but she sings the interlude to Better with this stupid grin on her face while Duff is handling it like a pro.  Nothing against her, I just don't see what she brings other than a pretty face.

#3754 Re: Guns N' Roses » Official band pic » 512 weeks ago

I still remember half of you saying Bucket/Ron/DJ/Finck was the greatest thing since sliced bread.  Has James gone back and deleted any post before 2016 yet.  16

That being said, I have nothing against their contributions and think Robin was a great addition to the band.  Better is an awesome song and kudos to them for putting up with all the BS for over a decade in some cases.  But I'm glad to have Slash back.

#3755 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 512 weeks ago

bigbri wrote:

This view alone should disqualify anyone from being president.

https://twitter.com/neil_irwin/status/755956574141624320

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How terrible that an American Presidential candidate believe the interest of the United States should come before anything else.  The HORROR!  I mean the ABSOLUTE HORROR! 

I also liked the parts where they said the Obama administration has also come to the same conclusions as Trump, they're just not publicizing it.  If you think American lives and livelihood should be treated as equal to 3rd world peasants who can't speak a word of english and think it's okay to rape and assault people, we're not really having a realistic discussion.  But if you want to risk your life for the happiness and security of nations you couldn't pick out on a map without google, head to your recruiting station and sign up.  McDonalds will have a new fry cook within the hour.

#3756 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 512 weeks ago

TheMole wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

You're right. I forgot no one could look at the stars before the Chinese. Listen to yourself. It's not like the west didn't have math. Just because we use Arabic numbers now doesn't mean there weren't other symbols for counting. Gun powder is the only contribution of note, and again, let's talk about the past thousand years.

Chinese philosophy was a joke and the Greeks had much more impact than anyone. But keep trying to avoid the issue and explain how the printing press, calculus, automobiles, computers, air travel, rockets, telephones, telegraphs, radios, television, satellites, trains, electricity, western medicine and the Internet are are all eclipsed by these grand inventions outside of Europe and America.

Without the West Africa would still be a collection of tribes, south Anericans would be sacrificing to their sun gods, Australia would have aborigines dawning war paint, Japan would have samurai China would still be nothing more than a trade stop.

That you can't acknowledge the importance and dominance of western culture really says something. But anything to get offended over.

Come on man, you know better than this. You're turning the argument upside down. No one is saying Western civilization hasn't made major contributions. Of course it has more so than other cultures, that's easy to objectively demonstrate. But saying or acknowledging that is a far cray from claiming that no other civilization has ever done anything noteworthy (which is what King is saying). It's extremely distasteful and a sign of weakness to downplay the achievements of others to feel better about yourself, and that's exactly what King was doing here. More importantly, he's using it as an excuse to justify lesser treatment of non-whites.

No, I'm calling out the nonsense that suggests any other culture has contributed anything close to western culture.  The color of your skin means dick to me and just because Newton changed the world and he and I share a similar skin pigmentation, means nothing.  Every person should be judged based on their achievements.  People who go around bragging about what a distant relative or person of similar appearance achieved are idiots.

But black people aren't treated lesser than whites.  The actual numbers and crime statistics don't support that claim.  The most well payed and highest academic achievers are Asians.  The same people who were treated just as poorly as any black slave.  Yet one group is at the top of the ladder while the other is at the bottom.  Black slaves were given citizenship after the civil war.  Look up US v Wong kim Ark to see how Chinese people were treated after that.

It's a misrepresentation of truth to say that blacks are less valued.  King didn't bring up race, the other idiot was making the tired point of the GOP being nothing but angry white people, in the larger aspect of the BLM nonsense.  King only pointed out that western society (at no time did he say white) has done more than any other culture of note.  When you're trying to claim that other groups created "surgery" or "ink", you've completely gone off the reservation. 

So the media runs with a talking point, and everyone covers their ears and pretends that western civilization isn't the basis for everything the world does today.  Again, I care what individuals do, not some larger, arbitrary group.  But if you want to go down that route, blacks contribution to this country was agriculture in the dying south.  Industrialization is what made America great, and they as a group had little or nothing to do with that.  But I'll take a million Neil Degrasse Tyson's over a million Willie Robertson's any day of the week.

#3757 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 512 weeks ago

bigbri wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

Is what he said not true?  I'm not one to take pride in the actions of other people, but western ( European ) culture and in turn American culture has done more to progress this world than any other.  I mean, Africans hadn't even invented the wheel when Europeans found them. Native Americans didn't have a written language until the 17th or 18th century.

Colonization is what brought the rest of the world into the modern era.  If you had to name the 5 most important people or their inventions in the past 1000 years, can you name one person who isn't white?

Notice I'm talking about what King actually said and not that blurb in your attached image.

Is there a single African nation today where your average person is 1/10th as secure and comfortable as your average black in America?

Really?

Well, civilization itself actually started in Mesopotamia, so there's a good place to begin.

And from the story ...

"Arabic and Middle Eastern inventors and scientists brought astronomy to the world, which in turn aided innovations in navigation. Critical innovations in mathematics and architecture originated in the same area. The Chinese contributed philosophical precepts and early monetary systems, among other things. The specific inventions that were created outside of the Western world are too many to list: the seismograph, the umbrella, gunpowder, stirrups, the compass.

Oh, and, of course, the non-Western world gave us the numeric system that will be used to tally up the delegates to make Trump the nominee of King's party."

Western civilization probably would not even exist in its current form without non-Western influence.

You're right. I forgot no one could look at the stars before the Chinese. Listen to yourself. It's not like the west didn't have math. Just because we use Arabic numbers now doesn't mean there weren't other symbols for counting. Gun powder is the only contribution of note, and again, let's talk about the past thousand years.

Chinese philosophy was a joke and the Greeks had much more impact than anyone. But keep trying to avoid the issue and explain how the printing press, calculus, automobiles, computers, air travel, rockets, telephones, telegraphs, radios, television, satellites, trains, electricity, western medicine and the Internet are are all eclipsed by these grand inventions outside of Europe and America.

Without the West Africa would still be a collection of tribes, south Anericans would be sacrificing to their sun gods, Australia would have aborigines dawning war paint, Japan would have samurai China would still be nothing more than a trade stop.

That you can't acknowledge the importance and dominance of western culture really says something. But anything to get offended over.

#3758 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 512 weeks ago

Is what he said not true?  I'm not one to take pride in the actions of other people, but western ( European ) culture and in turn American culture has done more to progress this world than any other.  I mean, Africans hadn't even invented the wheel when Europeans found them. Native Americans didn't have a written language until the 17th or 18th century.

Colonization is what brought the rest of the world into the modern era.  If you had to name the 5 most important people or their inventions in the past 1000 years, can you name one person who isn't white?

Notice I'm talking about what King actually said and not that blurb in your attached image.

Is there a single African nation today where your average person is 1/10th as secure and comfortable as your average black in America?

#3759 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 512 weeks ago

Maybe her writers did. I haven't been able to watch any of this as I'm in China for work and I have to use a VPN to access anything of use (China blocks Google) and my bandwidth is limited. But we're talking about a convention speech and rhetoric that everyone uses.  At the end of the day, who the fuck cares what Michelle Obama or Trump's wife says?  If the worst thing people can say about the convention is that Trump's wife said the same thing Michelle Obama said in 2008, the GOP is doing pretty well.

#3760 Re: The Garden » Turkish Army Attempt to Stage Coup » 512 weeks ago

johndivney wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

No military should ever take over control of their country.  Civilian control of the military is crucial to any democracy.

That's a weird thing to say anyway. As in it's never right for a military to step in & protect its own people from an oppressive government/leader? Surely the fundamental point of a military is to protect its countries people,mine that from threats inside or out.


But where is the line drawn?  And no government can oppress its people without the military helping them do it.  Edrogan can issue edicts, but if his military and police forces don't enforce them, he's a lion with no teeth.

A lot of people in the US thought Bush/Obama was a tyrant.  You could spin a million different things to a point it appears a threat.  If you believed Bush was behind 9/11, shouldn't you want the military to remove him from power?  If you think Obama is setting up FEMA camps to imprison citizens who disagree, shouldn't the military intervene?

I believe in Democracy, as flawed as it is.  The military's purpose is to follow the orders of the democratically elected leaders.  That Turkey's military has assigned themselves as the keepers of secularism and freedom (an admittedly honorable notion) doesn't mean that they have the legal authority to do so. 

As they allegedly had F-16s locked on to Edrogan's plane and didn't fire makes me think this may all have been a hoax anyway, especially with the purging that has occurred since.  The EU should put pressure on Turkey to conform to western standards, but I don't believeTurkey will ever be admitted to the EU.  It would open Europe to a flood of Islamist like never before as poor, uneducated Arabs enter Turkey through Iraq and Syria.  And since you need universal approval to enter the EU, it's very unlikely you're every going to get unanimous consent.

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