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#4091 Re: The Garden » Palin flunks mock debates » 919 weeks ago

So then you were opposed to the Republican who appeared at the Democrat convention?

#4092 Re: The Garden » Palin flunks mock debates » 919 weeks ago

So much for bi-partisan efforts eh?  When a Republican crosses the line, it's proof that Obama appeals to all people and serves as evidence that the Republican party is broken.  But when a Democrat crosses the line, he must be a turncoat mother fucker who must be out for some devious reason.

#4093 Re: The Garden » Record plunge for the Dow » 919 weeks ago

Thank you Polluxlm.  Very well put. 


And to PaSnow, I don't try to hide my political beliefs under some guise of "objectivity" and "independence."  I'm a libertarian who supports free-market values and self-determination.  I'm voting for McCain because his policies make up more fiscal sense than Obama's.  It's funny you attack McCain for creating more Wars, but it's Obama who is threatening Pakistan, wants to let Iran become a problem and refuses to acknowlege tremendous gains in Iraq.  Both parties have screwed the pooch on this one, but (Bush)Republicans have borrowed typical Democratic spending policies.  It's not the banks that have caused this.  Banks exist to make money.  It's teh government meddling in the market and forcing Fannie and Freddie to give loans to poor people. 

Don't for a second think I support Bush's economic policy.  He is about as far from a free market as one can get.  I get it, you think Obama is Muhammed reincarnted here to save us.  I'm not interested in Hope and the only Change Obama offers is to change the rate in which we plummet.  You don't save a struggling economy by creating new social programs (and the most exspensive ever).

You lecture me on partisanship, and then post 500 words on how McCain and Republicans are to blame.  The difference between you and I is that I'm settling on McCain.  In my perfect world, Ron Paul would be the President.  But I get the feeling that if you could singlehandedly pick the president out of all of this year's candidates, you'd still go with Obama.  That sir, is where we differ.

#4094 Re: The Garden » Record plunge for the Dow » 919 weeks ago

Exactly.  People have been ecouraged to keep up with the Jonses.  When I was in limbo a couple years ago before this whole Army thing corrected itself, I was working a gig as a customer service representative for a major American cable company.  Some guy called in because we had cut his cable for not paying his bill.  Now anyone who has cable knows there are different plans of cable with the be all end all being the platinum package that runs about $150 a month.  This dipshit hadn't paid in two months abd was upset that we had cut him off.  He began to lecture me on even though he was poor, he had a RIGHT to the same cable that rich people got.

This is the underlying sense of entitlement that American people have been led to believe they have a right to.  It's not hard work or effort that determines quality of lilfe; simply existing means you should be happy and have every luxury life can afford.  I'm not sitting on a soap box either.  When I was in college I got my first credit card.  It soon went from a 300$ credit limit to $15,000.  And guess what, I used every god damn cent of credit to buy whatever my heart desried.  Tabs were on me, every video game, ate out all the time, basically any whim I had or everything I wanted I bought.  Since my family is straight middle class and I refuse to ask others to pay for my dipshit choices, I took out loans to pay off my credit card.  The absurdity in such behavior is self evident.  But I was in college with no money and wanted to live in style and not within my means; I wanted to keep up with all the kids who weren't on scholarships and had mommy and daddy to pay all their bills.  So once I graduated and the loan payments were due, I had to man up and pay the price for my years of reckless behavior.  For the first 18 months I was in the Army I lived off beef ravioli and grilled cheese to stay within my budget.  I couldn't afford to go out on weekends with my peers because I didn't have the money to do it.   Luckily I've come out on the other side of it and have plenty of disposable income and hopefully with be completely debt free in the next year.

My point is not what a dipshit I was/am.  But how it takes a financial crisis to jolt people into reality.  As long as someone is there to bail you out; you're never going to learn.  That is exactly what is running like a cancer throughout our society.  This mentality of I deserve this or that simply because I want it is crippling us.  This politically correct babble and refusal to call a spade a spade is preventing the issues at hand from really being addressed.  People need to fuck up and drown to learn from their mistakes.  The US Economy needs a serious hit and to be knocked the fuck out for a few minutes.  When it comes to, it will see what it needs to do and correct its behavior.  Simply delaying the inevitable by reinforcing bad behavior and policy is not going to do us any good.

Rather than point blame at other people or political parties, every American needs to have a serious come to Jesus and decide that they're not going to live a lifestyle they can't afford.

#4095 Re: The Garden » Record plunge for the Dow » 919 weeks ago

Luckily I just get to sit back and watch all of this.  There's always a job in my line of work and if the economy is gonna go to shit, I'm not going to be getting out anytime soon.  Might even volunteer to come back over.

#4096 Re: The Garden » Record plunge for the Dow » 919 weeks ago

The answer to all of this is simple and is already in motion.  How did we get out of the last depression?

I wonder where we might go this time......

Time to instill some pride and values back into the western world.  A generation of sloths and leaches are going to go to an 8-week motivational seminar for the phony tough and the crazy brave - then off to a land that looks much like mars at night.

#4097 Re: The Garden » Record plunge for the Dow » 919 weeks ago

This has nothing to do with the free market.  How can you call this evidence the free market failed when the whole reason it went under is because of regulations the government imposed on it.  These lenders would not have given money to a lot of people if federal law didn't require them too. 

This wasn't the free market at work here.  This was a market with its hands tied behind its back being told that it had to assume risks with a portion of the population because it made leftist feel good about themselves to force banks to loan money to poor minorities.

The answer here is to remove all regulation and force businesses and banks to compete which will lower costs.  People buying homes they can't afford or thinking they could make a quick buck on credit are tied into this as well.  Ultimately this comes down to people buying shit they shouldn't have and the democrats saying go ahead and buy it anyway because you should have the best quality of life you can imagine.

Now with Obama coming into office, it's only going to get worse.  We're going to have a President and Congress with no fiscal sense who are going to increase our national debt and continue these warped market policies to provide people with homes and items they can't afford on their own. 

Just look at the Soviet Union to see my point.  Their economy collapsed because they government tried to control it and didn't let the market work itself out.  Greed is a the driver behing an economy.  Greed is good.  The whole Reagan generation has this sense of entitlement that is a complete 180 from the WW2 era.  People think everything should be provided for them rather than having to work for it.  We're a society of instant gratification that only sees why lies in front of us. 

This is an epidemic that stems far from consumerism alone.  A perfect example is animal right morons who bitch and moan about cattle farms and "cruelty" to animals while they goto wal-mart and buy their nice, clean steak wraped in plastic.  They don't connect the dots.

Every "socialist" European nation has instituted free-market changes over the past 15 years and seen an increase in their economy.  American liberals (and dipshit soccer moms/nascar fans) fail to look at history and the world around them and acknowledge that "Hey, maybe it's a bad idea to use the same principles that got us into this mess to get us out of it."

#4098 Re: The Garden » Record plunge for the Dow » 919 weeks ago

This is good.  America needs this to happen to show that liberal economic and social programs destroy an economy.  This isn't proof of the free market collapsing, its proof that government medling in the market and forcing companies to give money to poor families with no collateral is poor fiscal policy.  This is going to send a much needed jolt to people to wake the fuck up and start living within their means.  It's going to teach people that they alone are responsible for their welfare and can't delude themselves into thinking the government will be there when it comes time to pay the piper.

The Republicans are right on this.  Even if their reason for doing it is political posturing, the outcome is still correct.  We need to ride this out and let the market correct itself and kick the government yoke.  Adding more fuel to the fire that was created by government intervention isn't going to help us.

#4099 Re: Guns N' Roses » First single is If The World? (theory) » 920 weeks ago

We've already heard 10 of the songs, so we know what this album represents.  The traditional Single flow is rocker, ballad and rocker.  There are 5 songs we haven't heard yet (that we know of) so who knows what the other 33% of the album may be, but there is a tone that has been set in the leaks and it's reasonable to expect the remaining songs to follow.  Personally I hope they stay away from the SR's and If The World type vibe and stay more towards, TWAT, Better and The Blues.  If this album represents a ballad, then go with TWAT because that song will knock the socks off people.

#4100 Re: Guns N' Roses » First single is If The World? (theory) » 920 weeks ago

In the all the critic commentary on the downfall of GN'R, songs like Estranged are often referenced for the bloating and indulgence GN'R resorted to.  Now don't get me wrong, I love Estranged and think it's one of their greatest songs; but I am a GN'R fan.  The opening single to Chinese Democracy needs to be something that is to the point and rocks.  Something that non-GN'R fans will like and be intrigued by.  Going with If The World as their first single is a huge mistake IMO.  It's not going to strike a chord with the masses and will immediately turn people off to GN'R.

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