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#4091 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 910 weeks ago
Yeah, and Slither and FTP had videos and promotion. Can't be compared. CD is doing quite well on the lists considering.
I'm not saying what VR put out is crap, I just don't think the sales are reason to suggest it's better musically than CD. Music is subjective, so the only debate you can have is the one of what the majority thinks. So which majority? I don't think raw sales applies to that. Joe Burger's opinion got little to do with what we nuts are doing on these boards on a daily basis. He would be like the Sarah Palin to Albert Einstein when it comes to GN'R.
#4092 Re: The Garden » OJ gets 15 years!!! » 910 weeks ago
I wont find myself in that situation tho.. thats the difference.
Cant goto court for being decent
I got a couple of repenting police officers willing to differ..
#4093 Re: The Garden » OJ gets 15 years!!! » 910 weeks ago
15 years for what? Giving a guy who stole his shit what's coming to him?
OJ may have committed murder, but this shit here is a joke. A blow to the justice system who are supposed to be an indifferent body of society.
The gloating is what I can't understand. Who cares if a guy you don't know do or don't go to jail for something he might or might not have done (99% don't know jack shit about the case apart from what they 'heard'"). No kidding the jury system is a joke when even strangers can't keep an unbiased mind. The jury was a joke when they acquitted him, but they were great when they convicted him.:P
Think about that if you ever go to court yourself.
#4094 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 910 weeks ago
What does it tell you that GNR concerts don't sell that well either. POISON outsells the new Guns N' Roses too. I don't get why people feel the need to compare the two the need to put down Velvet Revolver. Chinese Democracy is a good album but not a master piece. I really know and love GNR and I do not favor all of CD over VR.
It tells me that they suffer from the same aspect that VR once benefited from, the cool factor. Meaning it got little to do with the quality of the music.
But when it comes down to the people that actually cares about music and spend a lot of time with it (the forum people) CD wins hand down.
Guess I'm just tired of this "VR beats GN'R" stuff just because a bunch of hangers on that couldn't name a single song today bought CB 4 years ago. Just like I couldn't care less that 15 million housewives cherished NR back in the 90s. That's not an argument for the success and quality of the music.
I think CD would have done a lot better if Axl and the band had showed their faces and stood behind the product. I don't think many will disagree.
#4095 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 910 weeks ago
It tells me what I've been saying. VR didn't achieve success because they had a great album, they did it because it carried the GN'R name and people were craving for something new. Once the buzz was over people carried on.
#4096 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 910 weeks ago
polluxlm wrote:D-Machine wrote:Just saying Slash and Duff didn't need a household brand to be successful. they started a band from scratch and are gonna end up destroying GNR grammy and sales wise.
I think its kind of funny especially considering all the dumb ass "Axl is GNR" comments I hear on a daily basis.
It's not all that clear cut. VR released CB in 04, a very different time for music. They also benefited from the long time CD has taken. If you can't have CD you might as well check out VR. They toured and did promotion. Put a face on the project. Then came Libertad and we saw how much people really cared about them.
In terms of creative output I think the majority of fans will agree that Axl is GN'R, at least more than any other collaboration without him.
Oh give me a fucking break. Do not try and taint Slash and Duff's post GNR success with this bullshit. Oh we are waiting on Axl, so in the meantime we will check this out.
ridiculous!
Slither mops the floor with any rocker on Chinese Democracy and Fall To Pieces holds its own as well.
Messages gives me the exact same tingling feeling as This I Love.
Just cause it isn't Axl singing doesn't make it inferior.
Taint what? Their irrelevance? Apart from a small buzz back in 04 nobody gives a fuck anymore. They had their chance and blew it. Now you can probably say the same about GN'R, but the difference is that CD's music is for the most part loved by the fans. VR still has some supporters, even I am looking forward to what they do with a new singer, but you won't find the same praise for their albums as you do CD. You just don't.
VR had the right kind of hype and they profited from it. Axl didn't, for obvious reasons. But when it comes down to it, those who really know and love GN'R (all incarnations) will favor CD in the vast majority. If anyones opinion should count in terms of success it's theirs. Not superficial critics, not dumbed down billboarders, not the corporate bitches at the grammys. The fans.
#4097 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 910 weeks ago
Axl took 14 years, millions of dollars and a huge cast of tremendously talented people to make that record.
Honestly when you look at credits on this album - with the Beltramis, Buckmasters and Bucketheads whatever - with all the help Axl had, it would be harder to make a fucking turd than to make something sounding half decent.
So what? I don't care who, how much or how long. It's not a baseball team. If it's good it's good, if it's not it's not.
And those 14 million and years got little to do with it. Axl took that long and spent that much for many factors. Pressure, creating a band from scratch, trying to make it sound GN'R etc. He could have released a great album back in 2002 after only 3-4 years of work. I don't think the time and money is a valid argument.
On the flip side I could say albums like Contraband probably could have benefited from a few more months/years of work.
#4098 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 910 weeks ago
But they weren't trying to be GNR.. Not that I can tell by VR and solo efforts..
For me, only 1 thing held back VR.. that asswipe singerI hate to repeat myself, but If Axl is GNR all on his own, then why were Hollywood Rose so bad
Gimme a break. They called the band "Velvet Revolver"...and the album "Contraband". Their singles Slither and FTP are GN'R clones.
Maybe it sucked because he was an immature teenager. From AFD on he never made anything that sucked. It takes time for talent to blossom. CD is proof that Axl is vastly more capable of making great music than his band mates, Izzy coming in a close second. I know opinions differ, but what Slash and Duff has put out post GN'R is a fuckin' tragedy.
#4099 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 910 weeks ago
Just saying Slash and Duff didn't need a household brand to be successful. they started a band from scratch and are gonna end up destroying GNR grammy and sales wise.
I think its kind of funny especially considering all the dumb ass "Axl is GNR" comments I hear on a daily basis.
It's not all that clear cut. VR released CB in 04, a very different time for music. They also benefited from the long time CD has taken. If you can't have CD you might as well check out VR. They toured and did promotion. Put a face on the project. Then came Libertad and we saw how much people really cared about them.
In terms of creative output I think the majority of fans will agree that Axl is GN'R, at least more than any other collaboration without him.
#4100 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 910 weeks ago
Just saying sales and all that
Well then..Britney > VR
