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#4231 Re: The Garden » Obama calls for mandatory youth service. » 913 weeks ago
(I'll answer your post anyway)
After they changed it, sure. It's voluntary now. That was mostly to show their line of thinking, which we'll get back to.
Oh, I got nothing against working for something. I have something against handouts however, in any which way or form. This reeks of state planning and marxist ideals.
You seem to miss the part where they want everybody to take part in this, even if they can't make it mandatory. That means a state effort, posters, lectures, commercials, articles, propaganda. Group pressure. And of course with the cost of an education these days there are large groups of people that would have to take this program to get an education at all.
And in theory that's great. Poor people getting a chance. Enhance the skill of the people. But it's the easy way out. It's the "please take care of me government, I can't do it myself" mentality. This is nothing new. Athlete scholarships, affirmative action, the new deal, federal deposits bank. That was the beginning. Now they're talking a state run banking system and nation wide public programs. The constitution is just a piece of paper and the Patriot Act is there to jail you for your good. You think it's going to end here?
#4232 The Garden » Obama calls for mandatory youth service. » 913 weeks ago
- polluxlm
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Rahm Emanuel, The Plan: Big Ideas for America (2006).
It’s time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service. …
Here’s how it would work. Young people will know that between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service. They’ll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we’re hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities’ most pressing needs.
And now, from change.gov:
The Obama Administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-Elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.
Original statement from change.gov:
Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year.
On related headlines we have the new Obama Jugend performing their drill, Kansas City, Missouri.
#4233 Re: Guns N' Roses » Crazy Theory regarding CD and Reunion » 913 weeks ago
Actually, since we don't know the exact date I said that, I get a stay of execution until the end of the year.
Slash showing up onstage is technically a reunion.
Yeah, the ROV meltdown was real convenient for you. You know what I have to say about these 'coincidences'. 
For some reason my mind jumped at the 19th of this month, but okay, you can have the rest of the year. Better get to work, put in the calls. 
#4234 Re: Guns N' Roses » Crazy Theory regarding CD and Reunion » 913 weeks ago
Wait a minute...it's been two years, hasn't it? No reunion!
You're eating that giant elephant turd on youtube this month James! 
Look at you, thinking we'd all forgot. 
#4235 Re: The Sunset Strip » Most Recent Horror Movie You've Seen.... » 913 weeks ago
polluxlm wrote:Saw IV. It was pretty bad. Shame to see. There are so many cool things they could do with the concept. It's time to revisit the spirit of the first movie if there's going to be more sequels.
I thought the new one was Saw V, not Saw IV? I've seen 5 minutes of the first movie and none of the sequels.
Yeah, I'm a bit behind schedule. 
Think I'm gonna watch Phantasm tonight (don't tell Von I missed his deadline).
#4236 Re: The Sunset Strip » Most Recent Horror Movie You've Seen.... » 913 weeks ago
Saw IV. It was pretty bad. Shame to see. There are so many cool things they could do with the concept. It's time to revisit the spirit of the first movie if there's going to be more sequels.
#4237 Re: Guns N' Roses » (OLD NEWS!)The Limewire Leaks Discussion » 913 weeks ago
for all anyone knows Axl could be talking about himself in the song Sorry,I find it pointless for anyone to try and figure out who or what Axl is talking about in any of the songs,I think people will come to their own conclusions without people trying to tell everyone else what they think the song is about when in reality no one will probably never know for sure.Just my opinion ofcourse.
I hope he isn't talking to himself. That would make the leap to complete nutjob. "hey axl, what is this other axl talking about. I don't know axl. fuck you too axl. I won't be toooold anymore."
#4238 Re: Guns N' Roses » (OLD NEWS!)The Limewire Leaks Discussion » 913 weeks ago
"Sorry has quickly made an impact. From being loudly characterized as "weird", "he sounds like Ozzy" and "it's not heavy at all. disappointing" in the wee hours of the leak, it has now become a favorite among many. It takes getting used to something really good.
Naturally the theme of the song has people wondering "who's he talking about?", "could it be..?. Some say it's Slash, some say a woman and I've heard the fans mentioned. Or perhaps it could be some other unknown relationship. Let's try and find out, shall we.
You like to hurt me, you know that you do.
Applicable to pretty much anything, but his tone of voice lends credence to something closer, personal.
You like to think in some way it's me and not you.
Now this is definitely personal. Indicative of a single person being addressed as opposed to groups such as media and fans. There is an opening for a small group being the target though, such as his old band.
You like to have me, jump and be good.
But I don't want to do it.
In regards to what? Who do you need to behave for? Certainly not to a friend or love interest. The media, and fans for the most part, love his behavior.
The sentence invokes the need to control for the person, because this behavior is damaging to him in some way. Stage antics, cancellations, delays? Megalomania in general. They hurt the bottom line. I say we are talking about a professional relationship, involving money and appearance. Giving substance to Slash being the target, but also a group such as say the record company.
You don't know why I won't act the way you think I should.
Translated "You don't understand me." A person unwilling or incapable of understanding Axl. Could be anything.
You thought it'd make me behave and submit.
"It"? A specific event, or set of related events. Behave and submit as a result? Certainly not a girlfriend. If she wanted to control him, why did she leave the feeding hand? The record company or other business interest would not do anything drastic to try and influence him. Too risky, and records show the opposite with him being given a great deal of freedom. Could very well be in reference to Slash leaving, threatening to leave, coming back, leaving again and so forth. Giving Axl an ultimatum in the belief that he would not dare carry on without him.
What were you thinking
Cause I don't forget.
The person should've known Axl would never forget. Somebody that's seen it before. Someone he knows well.
You don't know why I won't give in.
Give in what? Reunite the band? Cries from the press, fans? Could be anyone, but seem to refer to a reunion.
To hell with the pressure, I'm not caving in.
Same as above, but the pressure could be unrelated to this person.
You know that I, got under your skin.
You sold your soul, but I won't let you win.
You talk too much, you say I do.
Difference is nobody cares about you.
An emotional aware person meets a lucky go, don't worry about anything person. The sell your sell obviously is about money, implying a professional relationship. Axl goes on like this is a situation still going on today. That this still wants something that Axl won't give him. Definitely not Stephanie or any girl Axl would care about.He talks too much (the press), Axl talks too much (because he gets under his skin, he challenges him). Nobody cares about you (always wanting to know about Axl or Gn'R in interviews). I say it's an interpretation pretty good fit for Slash once again.
You got all the answers. You know everything.
Why nobody asked you, is a mystery to me.
You know everything, but they still come to ask me. Obviously referring to the media. An opening for the fans as well here.
I'm sorry for you, not sorry for me.
You don't know who in the hell to or not to believe.
I'm sorry for you, not sorry for me.
You don't know who you can trust now or you should believe.
You don't know who you can trust now or you should believe.
This is a tricky one. Could be a reference to us and our need to know, the rumors, the bullshit, the insiders. If he's talking about Slash it's probably that all his lying as perceived by Axl has made him unable to know anything anymore. Either of himself or Axl. Axl feels Sorry for this person, that wants something from him. As I said, no girlfriend he'd care about. I just don't see the female factor in this. It reeks of a man to man relationship.
You close your eyes, all well and good.
I kicked your ass like I said that I would.
You tell them stories they'd rather believe.
Use and abuse them, they're numb and naive.
Lack of self awareness. Kicking your ass. Definitely talking about a man here. Tell them stories, the media and us. We're groups, therefore numb and naive. Heavy reference to Slash and his media appearances.
Truth is the truth hurts, don't you agree.
It's harder to live with the truth about you then the lies about me.
Somebody with a vendetta against Axl. Somebody Axl thinks have been lying. Not many options for that.
Nobody owes you. Not one goddamn thing.
You know where to put your "just shut up and sing".
Immediately makes you think of the fans, but the following line is unlikely to be about them. The only thing they are pissed about is the wait and breakup. Imo this is about the live setting. The need to interrupt the set with something other than sining. Probably another band member.
I'm sorry for you, not sorry for me.
You don't know who in the hell to or not to believe.
I'm sorry for you, not sorry for me.
You chose to hurt those that love you and won't set them free. Won't set them free.
You chose to hurt those that love you and won't set them free.
Those that love you? Definitely not talking about the fans. They only love Axl. Talking about a single person here that is loved by many. Could very well be a reference to Slash leaving the "gn'r family".
Obviously I've been biased to the Slash angle since the beginning, but when going through it piece by piece I don't see a whole lot of other options. This is a specific song. I see no indication of broader themes being introduced such as in Madagascar. If it is about Slash it sure gives an interesting, personal perspective on the relationship on Axls part. And we all know he's obsessive enough to want to write a song about it.
But in the end you decide.
#4239 Re: Guns N' Roses » (OLD NEWS!)The Limewire Leaks Discussion » 913 weeks ago
Just wait 10 minutes.
#4240 Re: The Sunset Strip » Timeless Albums.. post-1990 » 913 weeks ago
Tool -Ænima
Faith No More - Angel Dust
Motorpsycho - Timothy's Monster
Blind Melon - Blind Melon
Rage Against The Machine - Rage Against The Machine

