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#441 Re: The Garden » EURO 2021 Thread » 269 weeks ago
Hope it's not too late for a Forza Italia!
Never too late.

#442 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 270 weeks ago
Hoping for the debut of Oklahoma/Berlin. It was apparently ready for prime time at the HOB 2001 and may even date to the 1995-1996 sessions.
This is a level of optimism I like to see! 
I thought I was being hopeful for Hardschool.
#443 Re: Guns N' Roses » We don't really expect a new setlist do we? » 270 weeks ago
There's only two ways we're ever going to get to hear the Chinese vault in an official manner(finished, vocals, etc.).....
1. Slash, Duff, and Axl agree to comb through the vault and let them rework a few tracks for eventual release.
2. After Axl dies, TB eventually start unloading his vault.
I prefer option 1. As a Bucket fan, I understand the frustration of not getting to hear all the material. Having said that....we weren't getting that anyways. It's either nothing....or something with Slash.
Optimistically we get anything. A Slash'd CD Vault in the near to medium term. Longer term when they either retire or sadly die we get a CD vault boxset unload*.
But as things stand now we're hanging all hopes of anything coming on them soundhchecking and rehearsing Hardschool 18 months ago.
* depending who owns the material, post retirement or death maybe the record label pulls the trigger just to monetise the remaining content they have and to add more value to their streaming services in the future.
#444 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 270 weeks ago
It's not an election year, who cares what people think right now?
Look at things how they are. Of course the economy isn't hot, the world is now on the slow march out of a 18 month pandemic that globally is not fully over. You have new variants surging all over the world where they are not as far ahead as Western countries with vaccination and those variants are causing trouble in places like the US, where you starting to have this "pandemic of the unvaccinated" problem. Markets are rightly getting spooked because the road out of Covid isn't as rosy as they thought it was. This is going to be a slow two steps forward and one step back march out of this.
Criticise Joe "I Belive in Science" Biden for his handling of this since he took over. Or criticise him for his hawkish approach to Cuba. Or criticise him for sometimes appearing rambly and incoherent. Criticise the rushed pull out of Afghanistan.
But don't get worked by opinion polls and get sucked into the horse race. Look at hard stats for things that are actually happening and nail him for the things he does and says. Not what some Fox, CNN, or MSNBC poll says about what people think - that shit's for commentators to use to predict future elections, not a reason to dunk on him.
#445 Re: Guns N' Roses » WTF happened to…Catcher in the Rye » 271 weeks ago
James wrote:Sky Dog wrote:Tommy has backed that up...RTB didn’t work and they thought the album was done.
In hindsight that is the point of no return.
You could make a case for the Ezrin "3 songs" fiasco but the damage hadn't been done yet. That can be walked back, everyone take a breather, and negotiate a release with the label.
He couldn't/wouldn't stick to his guns and all momentum was lost. They never got it back.
The project needed competent management from day one...or at least at the moment that the album was ready in 2001 and 2002.
Someone like Azoff would've had the album on the launch pad before the opening Jungle scream at the VMAs.
Baffling levels of incompetence allowed a major rock band on a major tour launching a comeback on national television to not have a single song....much less an album...to be in stores....and then allow the singer to shit can the idea of a coming album in an interview right after the performance.
Then it gets worse....
He abandons his own band in Philly to fend for themselves.
A year later they accidentally stumble into a nationwide buzz when IRS leaks on the Trunk show. Literally within hours, they stomp this buzz to death in its cradle.
Just unbelievable stupidity.
I can't imagine how frustrating this shit must have been for people like Tommy and Robin.
The situation was so much worse than fans believed at the time.
Like I said...they needed real management.
The worst thing about that 3 song thing is its total BS.
Just listening to the locker leaks you hear way more than three songs that could be hits.
You can make a really great album out of the CD demos, the extra tracks with vocals and the instrumentals with the missing vocals.
Thing is, the album realistically only needed 1 hit and 2-3 good songs to have enough singles for promo - the rest could have been only fairly good to mediocre. If they had that and put some promo behind it, they could have done well. UYI peak levels of success and fame? No of course not, but there could have been some buzz and acceptable success.
#446 Re: Guns N' Roses » WTF happened to…Catcher in the Rye » 271 weeks ago
Was the re-recording Axl's insecurity or him just forcing Ron on the album because he was in the band? I think Ezrin and Iovine did a number on him mentally.
The re-recording started in the early 00s with Brain's drum parts and then RTB asked for the whole album to be retracked. Once that happens... it's all down hill with the occasional good addition or change.
#447 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 272 weeks ago
misterID wrote:mitchejw wrote:I’d agree with you if you’d simply acknowledge our election participation rates are shit.
I see this for what it is…widling away our electorate with a clear goal in mind. Let’s do voter ID….cool…but you better make sure everyone who deserves one has one.
You’d have near 100% support if you did that.
That’s how i know this is partisan….
I agree, but people need the gumption to get the ID. There are already organizations and places to help people get their ID. I think, and this is just my opinion, but if you're not motivated to go get an ID you're most likely not going to vote anyway.
If you don’t have an id, you probably not informed enough to vote anyway. This is such a stupid talking point.
What IDs are available in America? Anything beyond Drivers License or Passport?
#448 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 272 weeks ago
Tucker with the shot heard around the world:
— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) July 15, 2021
Yes, there was meaningful voter fraud in Georgia.
Here is the hard, verified evidence: pic.twitter.com/VP167NmKAfLooks like AJC is backing up this story of Fraud in Fulton County.
Top tip if you see a Tucker piece. Google it separately. That is not "hard evidence".
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news … ton-county
"As reported by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, there is no indication the double-counted ballots influenced the final total votes for either former President Donald Trump or President Joe Biden, though the duplicates would have given Biden 27 more votes if they were tabulated."
"Carter Jones, an independent monitor of Fulton's elections, posited an election worker may have lost track of which ballots were scanned. He said the chances of organized fraud were small.
“It’s Fulton failing to follow proper election protocols again,” he said. “Fulton is so poor at managing the actual process that if they had actually tried to rig the election, they would have bungled it, and we would have found out.”
"A report written by an independent election observer monitoring the November election in Fulton, which includes much of Atlanta, found the county's election was sloppily handled but did not uncover any fraud. Raffensperger opened an investigation last month into the handling of paperwork in Fulton County related to the use of drop boxes for the 2020 election."
Occams Razor, simplest explanation is probably correct. Incompetence is much easier and likelier than a conspiracy.
That said, incompetence leaves exploitable gaps for bad actors. Tighten up the running of elections in the US, make them easier and more accessible (more polling stations, none of these multi hour lines to vote) and establish an independent elections commission to oversee them.
#449 Re: The Garden » EURO 2021 Thread » 272 weeks ago
I believe Italy can do what needs to be done. I have to believe they can.
#450 Re: Guns N' Roses » Wtf happened to…Chinese Democracy (song) » 273 weeks ago
James reminded me how much I want both a Buckethead version of Catcher and also instrumental versions of Catcher.
I’m skeptical if the latter exists but I would certainly take it.
Oh and put me down for the pre-Brian May Finck versions as well.
All of what you mentioned will exist in some capacity. Whether it ever emerges or is released is another matter.
