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#451 Re: The Sunset Strip » PanterA » 741 weeks ago

Love Pantera, but for some reason I can't stand to listen to their studio albums any more. The production on those things is so god damned awful that it just drives me nuts. Especially the scooped-as-fuck guitars. Ugh!

I'm hoping the anniversary edition will be re-mastered (and why not, re-mixed)!

#452 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » 20 Seconds of the new Slash Song "You're A Lie" from Apocalyptic Lov » 742 weeks ago

Love Slash, song is bad. Riff isn't catchy at all, vocals are sub-par even for the genre. Fuck, I'm disappointed.

For the record, I did like most of Slash I; just not the few songs that followed this mold. If this is the template or poster child for how the rest of album will sound, I'm not buying. And to a certain extent, I hope the album is more cohesive than the previous; but then please let this song be the odd one out.

#453 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » SLASH: New Album Release Date Announced » 744 weeks ago

Intercourse wrote:

Slash needs to be pushed to let go of the leather trousered, wife beater wearing 60 year old vocalists and embrace a more diverse and arresting selection of younger types

Imagine how far out there Slash could push himself if he was put with:
Mike Patton
Thom Yorke
Jerry Cantrell
Maynard Keenan
Phil Anselmo
Geddy Lee
David Bowie

Those aren't exactly young'uns in that there list, now are they? smile
Awesome list though, would love to hear him work with just about all of them (except Yorke, hate his voice).

#454 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Duff: Quit Whining About SOPA and PIPA » 744 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:

So I think perhaps my example of cars is better. Say we invent the replicator now. So you can all download the specs for a Toyota, or someone's Ferrari...but what would happen to car development...why buy new model when you can just download it after someone else does?
Eventually not enough people are buying. Then you'll tell me a story about how the car makers are assholes and had it comming right? big_smile

First off, bread indeed isn't the most creative type of food, but some dishes definitely are. I would dare to say creativity is an important part of the art of making food. It's one of the main reasons people go to expensive restaurants instead of eating good ol' fashioned home cookin' every day (one of, not necessarily the only reason). So although cheaper alternatives are available, people still pay a hefty sum of money to eat at "Les Pantalons Fancie" for something that basically fullfils the same need as a Big Mac. People are willing to spend money for certain things although they can get cheaper alternatives.

Furthermore, if you say that it's okay to duplicate bread, would it be okay to duplicate "Eli's Most Famous Cheesecake"? Or, only ordinary non-branded cheesecake? What about truffles, there's no creativity in truffles as such, but they are hell-a expensive because they're so difficult to find. So if we could duplicate those at no cost, would you be against it? Lot's of truffle searchers would be out of a job, but maybe that's just the natural course of events...

Did you know that it is not illegal to make a copy of a car that looks exactly like a Ferrari? There are companies that sell kits that help you convert a Mazda Miata into a Mustang or Aston Martin look-alike. And of course, it's also perfectly legal to cast your own transmission boxes based on the design of a Ferrari transmission, so it's not just about looks either. Basically, in all instances, law says: if you can make a copy for your own use, feel free to do so. As long as you don't claim it's the real thing, and as long as you don't profit from the brands and patents of others. Why does music need to be different again?

Yes, this discussion is very specific to non-tangible goods (digital is a technical detail, but in reality if you can make super-high quality analog copies of something you'd have the same situation), but that's exactly what the exercise about the replicator is all about: try to imagine this in the realm of actual tangible goods.

#455 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Duff: Quit Whining About SOPA and PIPA » 745 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:

If there was a way to get coffee, bread, milk or cars for free most people wouldn't pay for them either. It's not that they don't value them. It's that we all want more stuff than we can afford so if there's a way to not pay for something, we're all for it.

I'm so glad you brought this up. If there was a way to infinitely duplicate bread, coffe, milk or cars (think Star Trek replicator type thing) at zero cost, don't you think people would replicate the shit out of that stuff? Do you really think governments would step in and go "now now people, you need to pay for that piece of bread, so replicating it is from hence forward illegal"

The artificial limitation that has been lifted is RIAA's grasp on the distribution channel. The fact that duplicating music at zero cost with zero quality loss is now within the grasp of us mere mortals.

#456 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Duff: Quit Whining About SOPA and PIPA » 745 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:

what the market will bare has direct relationship to the fact that you can get the same product without paying at all now.

Well, the fact that we've been ass-raped by the industry for decades on end by artificially keeping their prices high, meant we had no choice if we wanted to enjoy music. Now, the artificial limitation has been lifted, and the music industry gets to see how people really value music.

#457 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2011-12 Guns n Roses Tour » 745 weeks ago

Yeah, it might not seem like it from the headliners this year, but Graspop has really always been torn between classic hard rock & straight up metal. Motley Crew, Aerosmith, Kiss, ... have all played there the last couple of years. Europe is playing this year as well, by the way.

#458 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2011-12 Guns n Roses Tour » 745 weeks ago

Well, well... sweet lookin' line-up this year... might have to buy that ticket anyway smile
http://www.graspop.be/en/bands/index.html

#459 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Duff: Quit Whining About SOPA and PIPA » 745 weeks ago

Bono wrote:

To suggest that illegal downloading doesn't diminish actual sales is laughable. It borders on an opinion used to justify illegal downloading. You dont' need figures and "facts" to know this. It's a common sense assessment. When something is available for free far less people will choose to pay for it.

It probably has AN impact, but far from the impact most claim it to have. And I dare say that, looking at the industry-wide figures, the impact is probably very minimal compared to other contributing factors. Even if what you state is common sense (especially if it is common sense), you should be able to back up your claims with figures. Why is it that somehow an anti-piracy stance gets the automatic moral high ground without the need to back it up with facts? It's almost like a religion, where you just have to accept certain things or you're a heretic. It might have seemed common sense to think the world is flat, but alas... the research doesn't back it up, time to get with the program, you know? Why do people accept turning a blind eye to independent studies that show piracy has little to no impact on music sales?

Just for the record, I almost never download music and if I do and I like it I will buy the album (but I realize that this is a personal position that doesn't apply to the majority). Just wanted to put that out their to emphasize the fact that I'm not in this discussion to justify my own behavior; I really, truly believe that people should be allowed to download music and other digital content for free. I really do think that artists will need to find another way to make a living from their art (such as performing, merchandise, pay-what-you-like systems, endorsements, licensing songs for commercials/movies/...).

#460 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Duff: Quit Whining About SOPA and PIPA » 745 weeks ago

Bono wrote:

This is so naive. You're not taking into account the millions of people who download it and don't give clicking on links to purchase a second thought.

It's naive to think that downloads equal lost sales in even a marginally significant number of cases. And yet that's the leap people make over and over again. I don't care how many times it has been downloaded, I would like to know how many sales have been lost. The actual sales figures don't support the "piracy-is-bad" doctrine, and that is a fact.

Did you know that there is not a single independent study that has been able to confirm the RIAA's position on piracy? Yet, lots of studies exist that demonstrate piracy has much less of an impact than most people are willing to concede. You've got to be quite the conspiracy theorist to disregard those studies as organized misinformation by the left-wing hippie anti-ownership crowd.

I think the point about record stores is more that the culture of loving and appreciating music has deteriorated at the hands of the music bizz (amongst other things by killing the "magic" of the record store). And I agree, you know... kids today (*cough*) don't appreciate music in the same way we did. So much more one-hit wonders, so much emphasis on production, it all creates a kind of music fatigue that detracts from the value of music.

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