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#451 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

There were witnesses who said they heard the cops announce themselves as police, knocked several times. If he didn't hear it I don't know. But they were fired upon and returned fire.

It was wrong, but it had nothing to do with her being black.

I read it was 1 witness, out of 20, and again, one officer testified they did not announce, but claims after they broke the door down the said "Police"


I always read statements like that as wordplay. For instance, he might have said after the shooting stopped "We're the fucking police with a warrant. What'd you shoot us for" or maybe in response to being asked by the bf who TF they were. So again, his answer can technical be, "We announced ourselves as Police after we broke in the door" and justify it to himself.

#452 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
PaSnow wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

They have been outright lying about the death of Taylor,

Just curious, which lies have been out there about the case?  It's an honest question but most of what I heard I believe has been factual, and I'm not hugely all over the place on twitter and blogs etc.

That she was murdered in her sleep. She was standing alongside her boyfriend when he fired blindly at police.

That the police didn’t knock. The boyfriend testified they heard the knocking, and thought it was her drug dealing ex-boyfriend.

That Taylor had nothing to do with her ex-boyfriend’s drug enterprise. He was recorded in jail on the phone telling people she had his money stored for him. He had drugs mailed to her apartment for her to store to keep them separate from his residence.

I never heard she was in her sleep. I think that is just paraphrasing or a figure of speech. Wasn't it 5AM?  I think that's due to her 'being asleep' then woken up by gunfire. What moron believes someone can sleep thru gunshots in their own apartment.

The issue isn't the police didn't knock, it's that they didn't announce themselves as 'Police open up'. They interviewed 20 neighbors and only 1 claims they heard them say 'Police' once. However, one officer testified they did not announce 'Police' then later changed his tune, say we didn't, but then we did after we broke the door down. Kinda late for that.

I don't hear much if any dispute she wasn't involved, my issue is more the judge issuing the warrant under seemingly bad reasoning, and a likely overzealous drug task force for requesting it. If they ex didn't live there, yet it seems he was getting packages shipped there, isn't it only a short period of time she's in posession of it? Couldn't they stop her on her way to work, detain her, and execute the search warrant then?  They'd still have access to the house.

And the BF shot 'blindly' at the people breaking his door down at 5am, unknowing it was police, since as stated above, they did not announce. Also, why no body cameras??  Its 2020, this isn't a minor traffic stop, give these break down your door officers cams. Again, this case did not require a 5am break down your door raid. Secondly, when you issue something like that, you cannot be wrong on it. You cannot be wrong.

They were wrong on it. Nothing found. Period.

#453 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

They have been outright lying about the death of Taylor,

Just curious, which lies have been out there about the case?  It's an honest question but most of what I heard I believe has been factual, and I'm not hugely all over the place on twitter and blogs etc.

#454 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

Honestly, I'm starting to think, we can all agree that covid & covid deaths are gonna get worse as it gets colder.  And the SC nom will definitely be asked about 'Do you think ACA should be voided, eliminating pre-existing conditions in the midst of a pandemic?' 

She'll give a non-answer (I can't comment on hypothetical cases etc) and they'll say its not hypothetical, and is she aware of the ACA court case, which saying 'No I am not' will also be a bad look. It's just gonna run its natural course. She'll get thru, and Dems should just allow it, but it'll expose alot and some voters will question the logic to it. A small number likely, as trumpers always gonna trump. Same with Roe v Wade, just ask the question, and demand an answer. She's obviously pro-life, but  'Would you vote to overturn it?  Yes or No' and leave it go, again, Dems need to accept she's getting put thru.

#455 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

Where's Deborah Birx been?

#456 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

Why does trump keep saying things like he may not step down even if loses the election? Why does he keep talking about a third term?

In what way does he have a choice?

This. Essentially he might go crazy and ask state legislators to insert their own EC. Something about there's nothing verbatim stating that each states EC must be based upon its popular vote. Doesn't say exactly but probably something like 'Based upon the will of the people"

https://theweek.com/speedreads/939191/t … on-results

It's fucking crazy.

#457 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

I said Garland deserved a vote in 2016, and I said it looks shitty having a vote now after what McConnell did.

Huh?!  That's exactly what Mitch & I are saying?..

#458 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

https://scontent.fagc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ … e=5F9185C4

All this talk about RBG's "dying wish", but not a word on her comments condemning kneeling before the anthem, stacking the court, and not holding a vote for an open seat on the court.

It's plain & simple Rocky, Mitch McConnell said in 2016 there was no need for the Senate to hold hearing it needs to wait until election day.

In 2020 he says its the Senates obligation to hold hearings.


Everybody else is just pointing out McConnells hypocrisy, they're not being hypocritical themselves.  It'd be like someone saying Tom Brady sucks, and saying no he isn't he's great. Then when he goes into the HOF that same person says 'He's the greatest of All Time' and pointing out that they said he sucked 4 years ago, and you claiming I'm a hypocrite because I'm not supporting your stance that he's the greatest of All Time, so I'm the hypocritical one.

You need to take back your words that Brady "sucks".  McConnell needs to pussy up and admit he was wrong in 2016.

RBG didn't retire because McConnell wasn't going to hold hearings. She should have implied she intended to retire soon, to get the Hillary vote helped out, pretty sure she did or at least that was pretty much known.  But again, she couldn't retire because McConnell wouldn't hold a hearing for Obama's replacement.

#459 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

misterID wrote:
PaSnow wrote:

It's really coming down to some finer points. My stance & predictions:

Dems need to back off the SC.  Point out Mitch Cumstains hypocrisy, question her pretty hard on whether she'd overturn RvW, then let it go. DOn't drag this out as it diverts attention from Covid mishandling.
Biden needs to hold up. Esp in the debates. If this was a criss cross the nation campaign I don't think he'd have made it. Not sure what would/can happen after the DNC, but they likely would've replaced him before it.
How bad will Covid get as it gets colder?
Business closing down, I saw 2 large chains go bankruptcy or closing numerous stores yesterday alone (Ruby Tuesdays and Bed Bath Beyond or something)
Leaks.  Will Kelly or Mattis continue to leak something, and do they have something big?

Admit it, you wish cocaine Mitch was leading Democrats.

There's been nothing mentioned about bankruptcy forgiveness/grants. I'd be talking healthcare everyday, how Trump doesn't have a plan, and how Biden/Pelosi fucked it up the last time they tried to fix it.

When??  In 2009?!  The Dow began hitting record highs in 2013 & unemployment dropped over 50% down to 4.7.  trumps skyrocketed it back up to currently 8.4

#460 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 294 weeks ago

misterID wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

Hell yeah! Time to get engaged with my mates again. Who is Rocky? Haha, going to be a wild 40 days or so

Rocky was apparently just a figment of our imaginations. 16

If anyone wanted to show up in the Ice And Fire thread and discuss theories like "Rocky" did that would be cool.

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