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#461 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 429 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

Get out of here you nut job. You’ve been pushing collusion for over a year. You don’t get to lie and pretend you haven’t.  You’re a truther. Shame and embarrassment doesn’t change that. Not a single person on this forum believes you haven’t been screaming collusion. Your articles and posts claiming “this is it” or “treason” have been peppered through this thread for over a year. No, you don’t get to lie and pretend this wasn’t anything but a witch hunt led by losers like you who think piss tapes are real.

Yawn....

You claim I've been hyper focused about the Steele Dossier and collusion. I've mentioned it, along with so  many other things, but you're always (as I said) exaggerating (ahem...lying about) my position and others. I rarely address you lying about me, because it's not worth the energy. Anybody who's here and reads, can see this is false too, so another reason not to bother responding.

Edit: Your behavior is also beneficial because it's a pivot (also all you know how to do) You name call, place on the energy on character attacks and hope users take the bait. This way you can avoid talking about the Mueller investigation and what's happening. It's been a REALLY bad week for Trump and friends. Really bad. That's why he's been in meltdown mode this weekend. You too I guess?

#462 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 429 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

This news says there WAS Russian influence. I still don't see how it changed one vote. Even if Russians funded and held Pro Trump rallies... How does that get him any votes? .

How could you ask this question? I don't even understand it. Social media is an incredibly powerful tool. People don't read. They'll browse over memes and get their information from them. But monkey see, monkey do. People are easily swayed. Of course disinformation could sway votes...in either direction. But the Russians chose to push an anti Hillary message via social media. Of course that influenced people and changed votes. Just like legitimate political ads do.

#463 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 429 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

those pushing collusion.....

Quit lying all the time. Man all you do is lie lie lie.

Nobody is "pushing collusion." However there is an investigation on Trump and his administration. There are a lot of moving parts. So far 5 indictments that we know of. Collusion may be a possibility. It is certainly a probability IMO. On the other hand you think it's a low possibility, so your strategy (so very transparent at that) is to claim it's the crux of the "liberal" witch hunt (although the majority of those conducting the investigation are conservatives.) That way if you're right, you can claim victory, ignoring any other convictions and triumphantly remain in your "hysterical liberal" default position. You're hell bent on reducing this extremely complex case into a black/white issue. You need it to be simple, and you'll portray everybody in that light in order to hold on.

Honestly I don't know why you handcuffed yourself to a dead hooker like this (well actually I do, you can't get out of your anti liberal feedback loop, it's the only thing you know). Trump is a known crook and a pathological liar. But for sure however this ends up, you'll down play it. You're so incredibly warped with all of this.

#464 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 429 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

Funny how you’re so concerned about gang members lives but not the lives of children.

His policy "positions" and nutty right wing bias are more important than dead kids. So much so, that he has to lie about other people in order to justify it.

#465 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 429 weeks ago

bigbri wrote:

The FBI and local law enforcement did drop the ball on Cruz. The facts bear that out.

But for Trump to say that’s proof the Russia investigation needs to end is silly. The FBI has the ability to do more than one probe at a time.

They are two separate issues. Trump, as usual, wants to make it about him. Because that's what narcissists do. But to do it on the back end of a high school massacre is pretty fucking low, even for Trump.

The FBI is not the Minority Report. We had these shootings escalating in violence of the last decade and it's the lawmakers doing nothing. Imagine if they did their job? You know, enact laws, then the FBI wouldn't have to be stopping insane kids with AR 15s from killing their classmates.

#466 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 429 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:
slcpunk wrote:

A new low for Trump:


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Many people agree. That was a HUGE FUCK UP for the FBI.

Standing on the back of dead kids, recently murdered, as a means to try to absolve himself of an ongoing investigation is seriously fucked up. But what do we expect from a piece of shit like Trump and his idiot supporters?

#467 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 429 weeks ago

A new low for Trump:


#468 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 430 weeks ago

So many thoughts:

Firstly, this proves Trump wrong that this is a "hoax" (although we knew this was not.) Mueller essentially got Trump to admit this now. Trump now admits our elections were tampered with, but says he didn't collude.

Again, why does Trump REFUSE to enact sanctions against Russia? Will he continue to refuse sanctions even after this? If so, why?

This latest move makes it difficult,if not impossible, to get rid of Mueller without all hell breaking loose.

Robert Gates is about to flip now too.  (Remember when a certain somebody here said it was preposterous that Flynn had begun to work with Mueller?) Who are these people giving information up on? Santa Claus? They're giving info on somebody higher up the chain. Knowing how high up both Flynn and Gates were, there isn't much further to go up. This is important to keep in mind.

The Russians thought the best way to create chaos in this country would be by getting Trump elected. That's certainly note worthy.

Bannon spent 20 hours be questioned by Mueller this last week.

Russia will clearly do this again, unless our gutless wonders in Congress and the WH take action. Will they now? What will the GOP do to protect our election process?

It's clear that by indicting the Russians, Mueller is also setting the stage for further charges against Americans. The primary focus seemed to be on Russians and social media in this indictment.

Trump said he believed Putin when he told him he didn't interfere in our election. Trump put Putin's word before our intelligence agencies. He's either lying, stupid or both. Either way, unfit to be POTUS.

Ultimately Trump put Russia's interest ahead of ours.  He knowingly lied to the American people the whole time and said this was a hoax. Trump KNEW this wasn't true.

#469 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 430 weeks ago

Sounds good to me. ^^^

And frankly there are PLENTY of things we can do that keeps the 2nd alive and well. The problem is that the NRA fuels the idea that it's all or nothing. Which of course it is not.

#470 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 430 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Should we raise the age to buy a gun to 25????

Maybe not a bad idea. The brain isn't fully developed at 18.

bigbri wrote:

Good places to start, fellas.

A lot of these dudes end up being domestic abusers as well. Same with this guy and his girlfriend. Anyone wrapped up in that should be red-flagged for a gun purchase.

I like standing, no-questions-asked gun buybacks. Sure, murderers won’t turn theirs in, but maybe someone turns one in that might have been stolen one day and used in a crime. It’s something.

You’ve heard me say this again and again here: legalize pot and some other drugs. Fewer reasons to have guns for gangs. Use the tax money from pot to increase mental health services.

This is good...because it's something.

Any good group of lawmakers could roll out a combo of these ideas to address gun violence IMO.

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