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#5051 Re: GNRevolution Madness » GnREvolution Music Madness - Discussion and Results Thread » 888 weeks ago
NY Giants82 wrote:James Lofton wrote:Other than MJ, no huge pop artists made it, which is a bit disappointing. Also, the ONLY female singer to get nominated was M.I.A., which is troubling. Where's Madonna? Janet? Mariah? list goes on and on...
Everyone(including myself) seemed to be in a hard rock frame of mind when making nominations and didn't think outside the box.
I cant speak for everyone, but I personally hate all those pop stars you mentioned, MJ, Madonna, Janet, Mariah. I would say a lot of the members would agree.
I just dont care for their styles of music, so they would never make it with me.
I totally agree with you. I know James has explained his music tastes before, but I still don't get it. I do like a few MJ songs, but Madonna, Janet, Mariah.... sweet living God how they suck. Prime examples of how hits and success don't measure quality. I respect them as 'performers', but I ain't a fan of the music, no way, no how.
I actually did think about nominating some off the mark artists, but then I really thought about it, and was like, "why do I want to nominate something, I don't really want there anyways, just for the sake of it? It's just gonna get eliminated everytime".
MJ's been involved with some awesome songs. I'm not sure if he wrote them but the songs kick ass. He's a freak, but he's a talented freak.
As for the others, you think they suck. Many others here may think they suck, but the vast majority of the rest of the world likes them. The songs don't suck, you just don't care for them. I don't care for most of them, but I can accept that the songs would be popular with certain audiences, which happen to make up the majority of CD buyers.
#5052 Re: GNRevolution Madness » GnREvolution Music Madness - Discussion and Results Thread » 888 weeks ago
i totally did not see that coming....
well though, in the nominations jungle had 11 nods and estranged only had 9
Small sample size. I didn't even look at the thread because I was busy arguing about something.
#5053 Re: Guns N' Roses » Please Play TWAT more when a tour happens » 888 weeks ago
Troll. 
#5054 Re: Guns N' Roses » Please Play TWAT more when a tour happens » 888 weeks ago
The wait, buzzsaw, the wait. Obviously people knew about the album for quite some time. If you told me you had a secret to tell me that would change my life I'd be very intrigued. But if you held onto that secret for YEARS I may eventually throw in the towel and 10 years later I may have lost total interest. So it might take some time to win back some fans that gave up. It might not happen, but it's worth a shot.
And I wasn't aware you could pinpoint every crossover pop single there ever was. There are none on CD, thanks for letting me know. How come you didn't tell Kid Rock that "All Summer Long" was a surefire hit when his album came out? Alright, maybe that's harsh. To put it more mildly, why didn't Kid Rock realize it would be a smash hit and release it right away? Surely he should be a pretty good judge of what could hit and what would miss?
The wait is just an excuse used by people in denial. Did it have a little impact on the sales? Sure, some. I ask again (since nobody wants to answer this question) how many albums sold in week 1? How many in the first month? How many in all of 2009? The album sold initially. People were aware of it, between downloads and people that had bought it playing it for them a lot of people had heard it by week 2 or 3. So what happened? Again, keep in mind all promotion does is make people aware of the album. People were aware of it, so why (other than they just didn't like it) did it fail after a couple weeks?
This isn't a Kid Rock board. I didn't even bring him up, I was just addressing the rediculous point someone was trying to make using Kid Rock. Kid Rock is no stranger to crossover hits. He knows how to do it. If I had the album (which I don't) and I was at a Kid Rock board, then yes, I could have easily told you he had a crossover hit. It's a summer song released at the right time with a classic hook musically and catchy lyrics that people can relate to remembering their past summers. Predicting success isn't rocket science for the most part. That's what made CDs lack of success so predictable.
#5055 Re: Guns N' Roses » If the Skwerl » 888 weeks ago
So the public will only like what they're told to like? And you think my case is weak?
#5056 Re: Guns N' Roses » Please Play TWAT more when a tour happens » 888 weeks ago
CD is so cluttered that even if the songs were good, I wouldn't be able to tell. I just don't like the songs the way they are. I've also said several times that I might feel differently if the songs were stripped down, but they aren't. Even TWAT is cluttered, but somehow it actually improved the song because I couldn't hear Finck playing some awful notes. The Rock Band version actually hurt how I listen to the song...
#5057 Re: Guns N' Roses » Please Play TWAT more when a tour happens » 888 weeks ago
Huh? What do different posts have to do with each other (especially the Gilmour one)? I see nowhere where you're pointing out that I said I expected them to outsell AFD. I see you trying to put 2 and 2 together to get 5.
My expectations for the album were (and always have been) to live up to the standards of what Guns N' Roses was. That doesn't mean in number of previous album sales, that means if and Axl/Slash GnR were to release an album today, that the success should be at that level. I don't have a specific number in mind, but I know whatever CD did was far below that. It's not even all about the numbers, it's about the "feel" of it all. None of this feels right to you, does it? Do you really think that the only reason this didn't take off was the lack of promotion?
#5058 Re: Guns N' Roses » Please Play TWAT more when a tour happens » 888 weeks ago
Your arguments are not only weak, but bordering sociopathic
You're the one going back and forth on this. Not me.
According to Buzz The Ramones suck because they didn't sell enough albums, didn't have a hit and not enough people thought they were good.
No, go prove there are more old line up fans. Go start polls on all the message boards. Real easy. Settle it once and for all.
You've stated your opinions as fact. That's about it.
If Axl and Slash released an album tomorrow hardly anyone would really give a shit. It'd sell more than CD, but it would not be huge. Sorry.
Why are you apologizing to me? You're agreeing that I am right.
As I said, they don't all post, in fact, most don't. Many probably joined and found a bunch of idiots talking about Finck and left. No poll is going to get those people to notice, but I assure you people like you will be rallying the troops.
I don't like the Ramones, I have no idea what they sold. Nor do I care. If I did, I'd go to a Ramones site.
#5059 Re: Guns N' Roses » Please Play TWAT more when a tour happens » 888 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Good music that gets out to the public sells. Bad music that gets out to the public doesn't. You may think something that sells sucks, but the general opinion is that it's good. You may think something that doesn't sell is great, but the general opinion is that it isn't good.
In YOUR opinion, CD is great. The public has spoken loudly and clearly and said it sucks. You can argue with me all you want, that is the reality of the situation. People heard it. They didn't like it. The public says it isn't good.
Why then was it the 14th best selling album worldwide last year? In terms of record sales last year, the album did well, it's in the top 20 albums released.
The test where you can say it sucked is when compared to GNR history. But let me ask you buz - if you set up critera for success in that any artist has to outsell or match their works from the height of their fame then 95% of bands will fail that test. U2's last few albums didn't do the numbers of their earlier works. fail. You could do that forever....hell on your assessment UYI was a failure because it didn't sell as many copies as AFD.
Does estranged suck musically because it didn't sell as many copies as Sweet Child? The quality of the music is not the issue here.
Axl's been out of the spotlight for a LONG time, the band its like 13 years since the band was huge, a lot of people know the old band is not there and don't support it on principle, the album was droped with no promo, no tours and basicly no support of any kind, - despite these factors, it still sold to be #14th worldwide last year - and you are saying the fact that it doesn't equal AFD in record sales means that it's musically crap? Keep believing that if you want, but I'm sick of reading about the 'truth' when there isn't anything logical to what you are arguing, you keep just saying "you all don't like it because it's true" but what you are arguing is not based on any reasonable or fair minded assessment of the situation.
Show me one post that I made where I said I expected it to outsell AFD or even compared it to AFD's sales as though it actually had a chance of reaching it? I've been saying for years that if it was ever released it would not come close to AFD. As soon as you show me where I said that, I'll think about addressing the rest of your post.
#5060 Re: Guns N' Roses » Please Play TWAT more when a tour happens » 888 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Is that what I said? No. But again, you want to make this about me since you can't argue with the lack of success for the album or the singles. You can like anything you want. That doesn't make it good, that makes it something you like. Good music that gets out to the public sells. Bad music that gets out to the public doesn't. You may think something that sells sucks, but the general opinion is that it's good. You may think something that doesn't sell is great, but the general opinion is that it isn't good.
In YOUR opinion, CD is great. The public has spoken loudly and clearly and said it sucks. You can argue with me all you want, that is the reality of the situation. People heard it. They didn't like it. The public says it isn't good. Don't tell me about it - you're not going to change my mind. Go tell the public in general that they are nuts and that CD is a great album. Get ready to be lauged at.
Well, that is what you're saying. You're saying CD is a flop so the music sucks. So by that logic, if something sells massively well, its great music. If it doesn't sell well, it sucks. And to think, all this time I was making fun of Britney Spears, and she's been a genius!
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it sucks. Stick with a story. If we're talking opinions, then we're talking opinions. You can't go back and forth on it. I can't stand her, but people like her music...the masses think it's good. Who gives a shit what you and I think?
My point stands firm which you cannot counter. CD sold 3 million copies. No "yeah, but...". It sold 3 million copies. Over half a million in the US. It was not a flop. You're argument is that it can't be a success because old GNR albums sold more. That is something you pulled out of your ass and stated as fact. Sorry.
It is widely accepted as fact that any Slash Axl album released tomorrow would outsell CD. Obviously I can't rove it, but it doesn't make it any less true. How many copies were sold in the first week? How about the first month? Now tell me how many were sold in all of 2009 so far.
Hahaha, holy shit your logic is hysterical.
No more so than yours.
I've never said CD was great. I know its a good album. A very good album. Some people here think its great. Only you and your little disgruntled buddies are saying it sucks.
I don't have any buddies. And if the silence you hear on the internet outside of a GnR site is any indication, I'm not the only one that thinks it sucks.
The irony is that you don't like CD or this line up, yet you're here every day, on message boards aimed at the new line up, trying to convince people who dig the line up and album that the new line up and album sucks... If it does suck, why are you trying to convince people of it?
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. Just stating facts and opinions related to the discussions.
Where are all the message boards dedicated to the old line up?..... Oh yeah.... There aren't any.
Actually, there are more fans of the old band than the new band that belong to these forums (other than HTGTH where they get banned). Again, I can't prove it. If you really think it through though, you'll realize that is probably true. They don't post much (or ever in some cases), so you think they don't exist. Most people prefer the old band. I'm sorry if that bothers you so much.
