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#5061 Re: Guns N' Roses » Please Play TWAT more when a tour happens » 888 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:It's not me mad, it's the general public. That's what you guys keep missing. Everybody knows I don't like it, but some people are clinging to this theory that the music is good. It isn't. That doesn't mean you can't like it or other people can't like it, but the masses (right or wrong) don't like it, thus making it not good.
So you can keep making this about me all you want. All I'm doing is representing Joe Public. We don't like it. It's not what we want to hear Guns N' Roses sound like. Take that for what it's worth.
I'm not making any predictions here, but you do realize that some albums take some time to get noticed or pick up steam. There've been a number of albums that sold poorly, then won a grammy, and sales all of a sudden skyrocket. People see something win an award and think, "oh that must be worth purchasing". AFD was a "failure" by your rationale until it finally caught on. And more recently Kid Rock's latest album was a failure and total shit until he released "All Summer Long". Then sales picked up and it went from total shit to massive success.
AFD was done by an unknown band. Unknown bands do take time sometimes to catch on. GnR is no longer unknown - this album has been talked about for over 10 years. People knew it came out, they just didn't like what they heard.
Kid Rock had a crossover pop single. Pop single. There is no crossover pop single on CD. Sorry.
Again, I'm not saying these things will happen for CD, but there are plenty examples of other CD's taking awhile to pick up steam. YOU keep stating that the public could care less and it doesn't matter how much promotion, publice appearances, touring the band does. Nothing could've helped it. Obviously you have nothing to back that point up since none of those things ever happened, and in the same breath I can't prove that it would've helped or by how much. We simply won't be able to tell until it happens, which it just might never happen. How many other bands have been given so many chances? Van Halen maybe? This may be their last chance (without a reunion at least), so they better make it count.
People HEARD the songs. Go read the stats James mentions. They were downloaded. People heard them and said no thanks, not interested. No amount of promotion is going to change that. promotion helps make people aware of something. EVERYBODY knew CD was coming. There was no surprise launch, it was expected - for years.
#5062 Re: Guns N' Roses » If the Skwerl » 888 weeks ago
WOW, Spin for the win
Lets see here Faldor
1.CD had the most hype of any single in recent memory, so it could've been axl humming over a piano and got tons of airplay, so the fact it didn't reach number 1 is really an indictment of how bad a single it really was. Think about this for a second dude. Offspring and papa fucking Roach have number 1 singles but Guns N Fucking Roses hits number 5 and that is suppose to be a big deal?
2. All those songs on TSI were somewhat classic songs already so them getting radio airplay isn't that big of a deal since they are already well known songs.
3. Estranged is damn near 9 minutes long....... SO yeah, that is going to cut into its radio airplay and Estranged isn't a commercial song. 9 minutes, zero chorus.........
Better was crafted to be a hit and it flopped.
Fact is, With no videos, no Axl sightings...... this album was doomed.
There are a lot of other reasons too. GnR was primed for a huge comeback and after one week, it sank. He knows I wasn't referring to individual songs, I was more referring to the album as a whole. If an album has good songs and the people have access to it, it will sell. It really is that simple. Estranged is better than any song on CD with the possible exception of TWAT - he knows this as well. He's trying to take the most extreme example to make his case (ignoring the circumstances surrounding it) and that never works.
He's grasping for ways to make my case look weak, but all he's doing is making it stronger.
#5063 Re: Guns N' Roses » Please Play TWAT more when a tour happens » 888 weeks ago
Whats that mean?
FTFU = fixed that for you
I edited the rest of it for clarification purposes.
#5064 Re: Guns N' Roses » Please Play TWAT more when a tour happens » 888 weeks ago
Yes but most people can recognise achievment, even if they are not really interested. Not Buzzsaw, if you dont like it, then you think it fucking sucks.
FTFU so now it's right. I don't care what he did. Good for whatever he did. That doesn't change the fact that I think his career was a flop.
#5065 Re: Guns N' Roses » Please Play TWAT more when a tour happens » 888 weeks ago
It was actually because of the words...
"I think his entire career is a flop. I don't care for anything he did"
... I cant take any opinion of yours on this topic seriously.
That's your loss. What I think is what I think - it's called an opinion. Guess what? I'm not the only one that can't stand Pink Floyd. Not sure if you're aware of that or not.
#5066 Re: Guns N' Roses » Please Play TWAT more when a tour happens » 888 weeks ago
^^^ You're using an extreme argument, of a band who sold over 350-400 million albums... The combined sales totals of "Guns N' Roses" & "Metallica" & "Nirvana" are flops to compared to Floyd.
That's just be a bit silly.
I'll take your word for the numbers - I don't care. I like GnR, some Metallica, and some Nirvana and can't stand Floyd. I'm ok with not agreeing with the general public on it. I'm not trying to convince anybody that any of those bands are better than Floyd. It's irrelevant.
#5067 Re: Guns N' Roses » Please Play TWAT more when a tour happens » 888 weeks ago
are Velvet Revolver a failure compared to Slash's GnR when Slash was there?
Absolutely. But I still like them. I'm just not going to sit here and try to convince anybody that they are successful because I like them.
how about Contraband vs CD? or even Libertad vs CD?
They all failed relatively speaking. Doesn't mean any one person can't like it, it just means you can't go to an impartial crowded place and say that they are the 3 greatest albums ever without getting laughed at.
#5068 Re: Guns N' Roses » Please Play TWAT more when a tour happens » 888 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:But again, you want to make this about me since you can't argue with the lack of success for the album or the singles.
Let's pretend it is all about you for a second, aren't your opinions representative of what everyone else thinks?
That's not what I said. I've never said that. If they were, nobody would like Pink Floyd, Kiss, Nickleback, Oasis, and a gazillion other bands/artists out there.
In the case of Guns N' Roses (which is what this site is for btw), the general public agrees with me. I said that before, I'll say it again, and all the facts back me up on it. All you have is "I think it's great" comments from a few individuals. I'll take my chances with my side.
#5069 Re: Guns N' Roses » Please Play TWAT more when a tour happens » 888 weeks ago
Again, you can't win the argument, so you pull something out of left field. Good luck arguing that Gilmour's solo career was more successful than Floyd. Really, good luck with that.
#5070 Re: Guns N' Roses » Please Play TWAT more when a tour happens » 888 weeks ago
Buzz Limbaugh strikes again.
So every album that hasn't ever sold well sucks. Nice to see where you're coming from. Because we all know album sales establishes what music is good and what music is bad.
Everyone isn't saying the album sucks. Just you and your other bitter, disgruntled folks. The reviews were very positive.
Is that what I said? No. But again, you want to make this about me since you can't argue with the lack of success for the album or the singles. You can like anything you want. That doesn't make it good, that makes it something you like. Good music that gets out to the public sells. Bad music that gets out to the public doesn't. You may think something that sells sucks, but the general opinion is that it's good. You may think something that doesn't sell is great, but the general opinion is that it isn't good.
In YOUR opinion, CD is great. The public has spoken loudly and clearly and said it sucks. You can argue with me all you want, that is the reality of the situation. People heard it. They didn't like it. The public says it isn't good. Don't tell me about it - you're not going to change my mind. Go tell the public in general that they are nuts and that CD is a great album. Get ready to be lauged at. 
