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#541 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N'Roses to play Rock in Rio » 810 weeks ago
Fantastic news for Brazilian fans!
Hopefully we'll get some proshot out of it.
Is it safe to say there's a high posibility of US-tour around the same time?
#542 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot on Axl Rose » 810 weeks ago
Nice stage show pitty they sound like shit
Just out of curiosity, what sounds like shit?
The sound of the recording? Considering it's most likely shot with a phone, use your imagination and enjoy!
The bandmembers are just really bad musicians? Considering they're among the most talented guys available and willing to join Guns N' Roses, I'd say that can't be it...
You don't like the song they're playing? Considering it's a GNR-classic and your on a GNR fan-site, highly unlikely...
A quick look at the kind of topics you usually post in, I'd say your just missing a certain ex-member(s). Whole different story...
#543 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot on Axl Rose » 810 weeks ago
Found it!
I thought it was the show in Porto Alegra, but turns out it was the one in Brasilia.
Insane!!!
#544 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot on Axl Rose » 810 weeks ago
Nice little interview!
I tried to find a youtube-clip with that giant flag/banner. Couldn't find it.
Can someone help me out with a link?
#545 Re: Guns N' Roses » Ron Visiting Israel For Benefit Show » 810 weeks ago
Naltav wrote:DCK, are you really comparing my little veggie/cultural boycot to Israel's treatment of the Palestinians? Please, say it ain't so....
Yes I am and first of all, how do you actually boycott a cultural event you're not a part of?
This whole thing started with me simply saying I agreed with johndivney that "ideally I would prefer GnR & GnR members to abstain from playing concerts in Israel.."
Of course I know perfectly well I can't do shit about it if Ron or GNR decides to play in Israel.
Aaaawwwh... Hold on...
You think Ron should stay away from Israel, indirectly denying the Israelis the entertainment value....
...That's exactly what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians alongside plenty of other shit which goes much further than what you're trying to boycott, but the principle of the matter is the same thing.
There you go! You almost got it!! 
A bit of an understatement on your part, but...
So if everyone did like you, and stopped buying Israeli veggies, do you think that would be harmless? You're doing exactly the same shit as you're trying to prevent. If everyone would boycott Israeli grocieries or products, hundreds of thousands of innocent people would be out of a job. But hey, you said the Palestinians were innocent, the Israeli farmers are innocent too, or are they both equally to blame for their leaders brutal attitude? You like to punish one civilian side, in this case the farmers, and not the Palestinians? You made it quite clear the Palestinians are innocent. So, which will it be? Are both civilian sides innocent or not?
or.... maybe Iraelis would start thinking: "Hmm, maybe we should start voting for politicians that are a bit more moderate and interested in dialog"
As far as I know, Israel is a democracy. If they start to see that the politics of later years are having a negative effect on them. They can collectively choose a different path.
My hometown of Stavanger and even Norway are traditionally overlooked when high profile acts set up their tour-schedule!
It's been getting better in later years, but I almost allways have to fly out of town!
Come to think of it...Whitney Houston had a show in Stavanger last year!!
She's not a hater of cold climate and small towns! You go girl!!!
must be the most lousy argument put out ever. It got SHIT to do with anything.
You conveniently ignored the part where I said:
(prolly not what you had in mind, Neemo. But hey, blame your poor choice of words!)
you know, to kinda make sure that people understood it wasn't ment seriously. And just poking a little fun at Neemo. All in good spirit!....
I think you're having problems with being objective when it comes to this conflict. Just because your wife is Israeli and you have friends that are Israeli, doesn't mean that ANYONE should "shut the fuck up!" (as you put it)
#546 Re: Guns N' Roses » Ron Visiting Israel For Benefit Show » 810 weeks ago
Neemo wrote:peopel are gonna think, say feel what they wanna feel...if that is your opinion on Israel more power to you...whatever...i just dont see why someone cant perform at a venue they want to and/or have the oportunity to for a cause they identify with and i dont see why peopel should be denied the privilage of watching a specific performer play a show for them
how would you feel john or naltav if you were denied the opportunity to see a show cuz someone didnt like where you came from.... that says oppression to me...do unto others as you would have them do unto you...pretty simple concept thats all i'm sayin, has nothing to do with politics ... just be nice to your fellow man
I wasn't gonna reply, but this is a very good point.
Funny thing is, by having such a stand they're doing exactly what they're protesting so loudly about in regards to the Palestinians. Denying a group of people specific things, (in this case benefits like music) because of who these people are and what their leaders are doing. That is just as much oppression as anything else.
It's not only wrong, it's a dangerous road to go down.
DCK, are you really comparing my little veggie/cultural boycot to Israel's treatment of the Palestinians? Please, say it ain't so....
Ron can and will do what he wants. It's not like I'm gonna stop beeing a fan. Just as I'm not gonna stop being friends with my friends just because they won't support my views.
I'm not talking about denying Israelis clean water and education. Just a harmless stand so that, if enough people outside stand together, maybe it could cause a change in the attitude amongst the avarage Isreali. You know, like a little knock on the door saying: "Hey, we're still watching you and haven't forgotten about that little prison with millions of innocent people in it. Gonna start doing the right thing soon?"
If we all just close our eyes and act ignorant to the atrocities, nothing will happen, that's for sure.
It seems to me that Israel, as a collective, are just fine and dandy with the current treatment going on indefinatly. Keep millions of people imprisoned under terrible conditions and secretly assassinate high profile leaders. To throw in a quote from a movie: "My fingernails grow back, does that mean I should stop cutting them?”
how would you feel john or naltav if you were denied the opportunity to see a show cuz someone didnt like where you came from
I can tell you all about it, son!!!
My hometown of Stavanger and even Norway are traditionally overlooked when high profile acts set up their tour-schedule!
It's been getting better in later years, but I almost allways have to fly out of town!
Come to think of it...Whitney Houston had a show in Stavanger last year!!
She's not a hater of cold climate and small towns! You go girl!!!
(prolly not what you had in mind, Neemo. But hey, blame your poor choice of words!)
#547 Re: The Garden » Israel and Palestine We built this city on rock'n'roll » 810 weeks ago
For those interested.
British investigative journalist Ross Kemp made an interesting two episode documentary about the conflict (Ross Kemp: Middle East). One where he spends time in Gaza and one where he spends time in Israel.
He doesen't really take sides (at least not that I could tell), but speaks with moderate and extremists on both sides.
It's out there on various file-sharing sites.
#548 Re: Guns N' Roses » Ron Visiting Israel For Benefit Show » 811 weeks ago
Nalt is a HTGTH-like Axlite
He's.She's being the exact opposite of their normal MO. We bag on new GN'R, and they calls us haters, but it's okay for him/her to call out Ron.
Nah, he/she just lost ALL credibility with this thread.
And the bus I ride every day prolly has some parts made in Isreal!!!
How can I look at myself in the mirror!!??
PS: I'm a guy
#549 Re: Guns N' Roses » Ron Visiting Israel For Benefit Show » 811 weeks ago
Neemo wrote:i have no interest in discussing politics any further ...
a local israeli band has apparently asked Ron to guest with them to remember the haulocaust...we dont even know if this is true or bullshit but its gone way far from that topic
And that's all there is to it. The rest should be stayed out off. We can discuss that somewhere else instead of mixing Ron Thals concert in Israel together with retarded vegetable boycotts.
Naltav wrote:Ok, to make it even more "stupid", I don't even buy vegetables or fruit if it says "Made in Isreal". Not saying the farmer is bombing the fuck out of an entire "country" who he allready have imprisoned. I just feel this sort of humanitarian obligation not to suport ANY business coming from Isreal, until they start behaving according to reality and not some ancient, fairytale, God-given sense of entitlement. Not saying that Isreal is the only wrongdoing part here, but they hold the key to the solution and don't seem to have any desire to use it. I have no hope in seeing a resolution to that conflict in my lifetime, but I do feel the need to make my little "stand" and maybe encourage my daughter in years to come to be able to see the world and it's inhabitants as just that. Inhabitants of ONE world instead of divided sections of tribes.
We are all on one organic spaceship hurling through space at an insane speed. Ancient books and prophecies telling you what is "your promised piece of land" should have NO say in ANY matter! Period! It's 2011, let's turn that fucking page already!Congratulations with your "taking the high horse" route on this conflict. It's very Norwegian of you, butting in on every conflict you think you know everything there is to know about, sitting up in your mountain country having opinions about shit you truly have no clue about. I'm sure you think you do anyway, the medias been full of it.
I laugh every time I hear people not buying Israeli veggies. Better fucking turn off your computer too mate, because the Israelis are the leading experts on several parts in it. Don't expect you to come back here any time soon then, as the Internet won't work without those hardware pieces. Oh, and if you get cancer, make sure to boycott a couple of treatments as well, as Israeli doctors are world leaders in that area too. Better go all the way eh? Or does it stop with the veggies?
Some of your views are nothing but prejudice, and you're not one step better than the people you are trying to boycott.
If Neemo or anyone else want to delete this post or move it into The Garden, then I'm all for it.
DCK, you usually make good, well thought out arguments around this board, this one....not so much!
I won't claim to know EVERYTHING about this stuff, but the Palestinian/Isreal conflict have been a source of interest of mine for some years now. I've read books on it, watched/downloaded documentaries and tried to look at the situation from both sides.
A former colleague of mine is Jewish. Trying to convince her that Isreal are "misbehaving" was just as futile as convincing someone that the sky is purple. Me and her quickly found out which topics not to touch. We got along great and still do whenever we run into each other at parties and stuff.
There seem to be extremes on both sides of the conflict. Sadly the people that are somewhere in between and willing to negotiate are drowned out by acts from the extremists on both sides. Doesn't matter if it's the "take-every-hill-and-build-a-house-because-this-is-our-promised-land" mentality from certain Isrealies or the "Isreal-doesnt-have-the-right-to-exist" mentality from certain Palestinians. But there is no doubt in my mind what side of the conflict are doing the most damage to finding some kind of middle ground so that lives will be spared and families on both sides could find some way of living any kind of "normal" lives.
Does it solve the problem if I don't buy vegetables from Isreal? No! Will me taking the bus or riding my bike to and from work save the planet? No!
But I do anyway, because it feels right for me. And maybe, just maybe over time, my actions may cause some of my closest friends and family to think differently about certain "problems". And certain problems and conflicts will likely take generations of alltered behaviour.
And all countries in the world should up their protest and boycott of Isreal, and that's one of the reasons I vote the way I do at elections. And look at that!!! We're back to why I feel my favorite band should take a stand on the subject.
#550 Re: Guns N' Roses » Ron Visiting Israel For Benefit Show » 811 weeks ago
johndivney wrote:i'm sorry Neemo but it's just not as simple as Ron - or in our most base/explicit language, a famous jew playing for some less fortunate fans. there are millions of rock fans in turmoil, you don't have to play specifically in a country which is currently running it's own genocide & famine on a group of people - what about those people?
Naltav wrote:I just feel this sort of humanitarian obligation not to suport ANY business coming from Isreal, until they start behaving according to reality and not some ancient, fairytale, God-given sense of entitlement.
i seriously doubt that every single person in israel is trying to kill each other ... and it doesnt look as though ron is even playing gnr stuff, but with a local israeli metal band ... its dedicated to the halocaust which is something i imagine that most jewish people conisder a very important topic... i really dont see a problem with it tbh....this is the same line of thinking that says all muslims are gonna try to take down a plane or all irish peopel are gonna throw a pipe bomb....stop being so single minded
back to topic and stick to topic, if you wanna discuss the politics of war torn countries then go start a thread in the garden as was suggested
Nice job of summing my views down to "all muslims and irish are terrorists". A line of thinking that are alien to me.
